Crime and Security Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on division (272 votes to 197). Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, on Report, Third Reading and any other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Queen's consent signified. Money resolution agreed to on question.
Crime and Security Bill
Debate on bills on Monday, 18 January 2010,
in the House of Commons,
led by Alan Johnson.
The answering
member was Lord Grayling.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
504 c24-128 
Session
2009-10
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Crime and Security Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 3-EN also published.
Thursday, 19 November 2009
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 19 November 2009
Bills
House of Commons
Crime and Security Bill (Programme) (No. 2)
Tuesday, 9 February 2010
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Tuesday, 9 February 2010
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 504 c42 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Perhaps Government Front Benchers did not hear what I said a moment ago. They listened to the...
Lord Grayling | 504 c42 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister for Borders and Immigration is very excited this afternoon. He is particularly excited ...
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David TC Davies | 504 c42 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that most people in the House agree that the measure is a very good idea. However, is not ...
Lord Grayling | 504 c43 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point. He will know that I have also expressed the view ...
Speaker | 504 c41 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I say to Members on both Front Benches, particularly the Government Front Bench, that interje...
Lord Grayling | 504 c41-2 (Link to this contribution)
I suggest that at some time the Home Secretary goes and looks at the detailed statistics behind offe...
Alan Johnson | 504 c41 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman confirm that one of the measures that he believes should replace ASBOs is th...
Lord Grayling | 504 c41 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be delighted to. I hope that the Minister's Government will call the election soon, that the...
Lord Grayling | 504 c40-1 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady makes a good point. It is one reason why we have been so concerned about the indiscrim...
Lord Grayling | 504 c39-40 (Link to this contribution)
That will be an interesting subject for debate in the Tea Room later. We were so confused by some of...
Angela C Smith | 504 c40 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not acknowledge that we introduced stop-and-search recording because the pro...
Lord Grayling | 504 c39 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right.
Fiona Mactaggart | 504 c39 (Link to this contribution)
I do not understand why the hon. Member for Banbury (Tony Baldry) says that nothing was said about w...
Alan Johnson | 504 c38 (Link to this contribution)
No, I am not giving way again. [Interruption.] The peroration is over. This can hardly be called a p...
Tony Baldry | 504 c38 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary give way?
Alan Johnson | 504 c38 (Link to this contribution)
As always, my right hon. Friend makes an important point. As I said, we need to look at the system t...
Keith Vaz | 504 c49 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman's Whip, the hon. Member for Reading, East (Mr. Wilson), has noted ...
Colin Breed | 504 c49-50 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the right hon. Gentleman about the need for agencies to work together. In my part of th...
Lord Grayling | 504 c46-7 (Link to this contribution)
The Government have set great store by the evidence of the Jill Dando Institute, which the Ministry ...
Alan Johnson | 504 c46 (Link to this contribution)
Of course that approach would not have led to any such detriment, and I presume that that research w...
Lord Grayling | 504 c47 (Link to this contribution)
In reality we do not know the evidence behind the Home Secretary's comments, and there is no such th...
Alan Johnson | 504 c47 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman believes that the issue of principle and civil liberties is important. Does he be...
Lord Grayling | 504 c47-8 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes extremely valuable points. The Government have become utterly confused on t...
Chris Huhne | 504 c47 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary really must not be allowed to get away with his last intervention. The Associatio...
Tony Baldry | 504 c49 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with everything the right hon. Gentleman says, but the difficulty is that clauses 39 and 40 ...
Keith Vaz | 504 c48-9 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Epsom and Ewell (Chris Grayling)—the shadow Home Secretary—and the Home Secretar...
Lord Grayling | 504 c45-6 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes a good point. If we were to adopt the Scottish system, some concerns migh...
Lord Grayling | 504 c45 (Link to this contribution)
I am sympathetic to what the right hon. Gentleman says, although I would like to wait to see the rec...
David Davis | 504 c45 (Link to this contribution)
Although the Chairman of the Home Affairs Committee made an important point, he did not mention the ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c43 (Link to this contribution)
On the first point, attacks on police officers are intolerable. On the latter point, we have acknowl...
Lord Grayling | 504 c43 (Link to this contribution)
There are only two points to make in response to that. First, will the Minister then explain why the...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c43 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman confirm that in the past two years, when I was prisons Minister at the Minis...
Keith Vaz | 504 c44 (Link to this contribution)
The shadow Home Secretary is probably aware that tomorrow the hon. Member for Hammersmith and Fulham...
Lord Grayling | 504 c43-4 (Link to this contribution)
The reality remains that this Government have been in power for 12 years. We have been through a sit...
Lord Grayling | 504 c43 (Link to this contribution)
The point that the Minister misses is that we are 12 years into a Labour Government. They have had y...
Alan Johnson | 504 c24 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
The Bill builds on an unrivalled record tha...
Elfyn Llwyd | 504 c24 (Link to this contribution)
If things are going so well and crime rates are improving, why is the intention behind the Bill to k...
Speaker | 504 c24 (Link to this contribution)
I inform the House that I have not selected either of the amendments.
Joan Walley | 504 c24 (Link to this contribution)
Because of tragic circumstances, we have campaigned on that issue in Stoke-on-Trent. Can my right ho...
Alan Johnson | 504 c24 (Link to this contribution)
I do think that we can do that through the Bill, although it is not concerned only with guns in stor...
Alan Johnson | 504 c24 (Link to this contribution)
The DNA database has actually been a contributory factor to the astonishing reductions in crime achi...
Pete Wishart | 504 c24-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary will know of the many tragic incidents that we have had in Scotland as a result o...
Keith Vaz | 504 c26-7 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary will recall the case in Leicestershire, when he criticised the lack of speed with...
Alan Johnson | 504 c27-8 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend raises the tragic case of Fiona Pilkington and her children. It is clear that i...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c28 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously domestic violence protection orders are important, but I cannot see in the Bill what the p...
Alan Johnson | 504 c25 (Link to this contribution)
I do give that assurance, although as my hon. Friend will be aware, it seems from the amendments tha...
Alan Johnson | 504 c25 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. and learned Gentleman is silently asking me to give way.
Lord Garnier | 504 c25-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am now going to get a bit noisier. On another overseas matter, it has been suggested by Government...
Alan Johnson | 504 c25 (Link to this contribution)
We have agreed to devolve this issue, as my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland re...
Fiona Mactaggart | 504 c25 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Home Secretary assure the House that, having taken some time to consult on those proposals, ...
Alan Johnson | 504 c29 (Link to this contribution)
So says an MP from Staffordshire. The Staffordshire example is a good example that is being rolled o...
Keith Vaz | 504 c29 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way a second time. Of course we welcome the prop...
Alan Johnson | 504 c29 (Link to this contribution)
I do recall that correspondence. The Staffordshire example is a good example—
Humfrey Malins | 504 c28 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?
Alan Johnson | 504 c28-9 (Link to this contribution)
I have given way once. Let us move on.
Over the past few years, we have made huge efforts to cut p...
Elfyn Llwyd | 504 c28 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Secretary of State please elaborate on what he is saying and tell the House why a domestic v...
Alan Johnson | 504 c28 (Link to this contribution)
I am not equipped to go into the fine detail about that—unlike my right hon. Friend the Minister for...
Alan Johnson | 504 c28 (Link to this contribution)
Breaching a domestic violence protection order would be like breaching an injunction—we used to use ...
Lord Grayling | 504 c29 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Home Secretary clarify one point? My understanding is that under the current rules if a vehi...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 504 c29-30 (Link to this contribution)
In my constituency, where a young woman was brutally murdered more than a decade ago, the DNA record...
Alan Johnson | 504 c29 (Link to this contribution)
If a motor vehicle is involved, a separate form for that vehicle will have to be filled out by the o...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 504 c30 (Link to this contribution)
But is the number not also going down for an even more obvious reason? There was a stock of crime th...
Alan Johnson | 504 c30 (Link to this contribution)
I do, and I will give my right hon. Friend exact figures. I believe that it is about 400,000 now, bu...
Diane Abbott | 504 c30 (Link to this contribution)
No one in the House disputes the importance of keeping the DNA of guilty people; it is the indefinit...
Alan Johnson | 504 c30 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. We are now discussing something on which I thought all par...
David Davis | 504 c30 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary knows that nobody disputes the value of DNA in solving cold cases as well as curr...
Alan Johnson | 504 c30 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right, which is why the Bill contains provisions, which I will discuss ...
Alan Johnson | 504 c31 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman says—this is the third time that I have heard it—that no one is disputing t...
Alan Johnson | 504 c32 (Link to this contribution)
So far as I am aware, only one country is currently looking at that possibility: the United Arab Emi...
Lord Grayling | 504 c32 (Link to this contribution)
If the Home Secretary is so convinced of his viewpoint, why are the Government not proposing to intr...
Alan Johnson | 504 c31-2 (Link to this contribution)
I told the right hon. Gentleman that I would provide the House with statistics, and I have given two...
David Davis | 504 c31 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that the Home Secretary did not answer my question. Of course the individual cases that ...
Alan Johnson | 504 c33 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to the right hon. Gentleman one last time.
Alan Johnson | 504 c32-3 (Link to this contribution)
First, I do not think that that would be proportionate. Secondly, we do not have compulsory vaccinat...
Chris Huhne | 504 c32 (Link to this contribution)
I am slightly mystified by the position that the Home Secretary has taken. He just told the House th...
David Davis | 504 c33 (Link to this contribution)
And anything further I can take up on the train later, no doubt. The right hon. Gentleman is generou...
Gordon Prentice | 504 c34 (Link to this contribution)
Is the Home Secretary telling us that chief constables will be able to order the retention of DNA wi...
Alan Johnson | 504 c34 (Link to this contribution)
My point is that we should hold it for longer for 16 to 17-year-olds, who, as the hon. Gentleman rec...
Alan Johnson | 504 c35 (Link to this contribution)
What I am saying is that the current arrangements—which are as my hon. Friend describes, whereby the...
Lord Grayling | 504 c34 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary appears to have just said that in some cases the DNA of people found guilty of no...
Alan Johnson | 504 c33-4 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that there is not a great wealth of research in this area, but it will grow in all parts of...
Michael Connarty | 504 c35 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary said earlier that the DNA of an innocent person investigated for a possible terro...
Pete Wishart | 504 c36 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary will of course recall that it was the Labour Executive, in conjunction with the L...
Alan Johnson | 504 c35 (Link to this contribution)
That system will be set out in the Bill; there will be no discretion for chief constables on that. W...
Alan Johnson | 504 c37-8 (Link to this contribution)
Do not ask me why the commission has sent letters to Members suggesting that. Of course, there are p...
Gordon Prentice | 504 c37 (Link to this contribution)
Why is it, then, that we have received a briefing from the Equality and Human Rights Commission, whi...
Alan Johnson | 504 c37 (Link to this contribution)
The Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland makes the same point, as do many people in Scot...
Michael Connarty | 504 c37 (Link to this contribution)
I know that my right hon. Friend is trying to be fair to the present Government of Scotland, which i...
Alan Johnson | 504 c36 (Link to this contribution)
I am not going to respond to a quote taken out of context from a letter. We are all trying to find r...
Lord Grayling | 504 c36 (Link to this contribution)
May I ask the Home Secretary to respond to a letter written by his colleague, Lord Bach, the Under-S...
Alan Johnson | 504 c36 (Link to this contribution)
I hear the hon. Gentleman's plea of not guilty, which I accept. I am not trying to impose our system...
Keith Vaz | 504 c38 (Link to this contribution)
May I come to the defence of the hon. Member for Ashford (Damian Green)? A few weeks ago he produced...
Alan Johnson | 504 c38 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way one last time, because it is my right hon. Friend.
David TC Davies | 504 c111-4 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman was very generous in giving way to me, but time is now running very short because...
James Brokenshire | 504 c116 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a wide-ranging, well informed and passionate debate. I had intended to deal with overs...
Tobias Ellwood | 504 c114-6 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Monmouth (David T.C. Davies), who speaks wi...
James Brokenshire | 504 c116-20 (Link to this contribution)
I respect the way in which the right hon. Gentleman has raised the issue, and we will look closely a...
Tobias Ellwood | 504 c120-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his kind words. The Ministry of Justice press release comments on ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c120 (Link to this contribution)
I thank right hon. and hon. Members for their contributions. Those who were present at the start, wh...
David TC Davies | 504 c111 (Link to this contribution)
There is not much time left in the debate, but I must say that I have greatly enjoyed the contributi...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c121-3 (Link to this contribution)
Those are the very issues that we are looking at. I will table amendments on the issue for considera...
Chris Huhne | 504 c108 (Link to this contribution)
indicated dissent.
Tony McNulty | 504 c107-8 (Link to this contribution)
Not in Committee. I have already made that very clear, and if I have to take another half an hour to...
Tobias Ellwood | 504 c107 (Link to this contribution)
And in Committee.
Tony McNulty | 504 c106-7 (Link to this contribution)
I could make a joke about the hon. Gentleman looking shifty and all sorts of other things, but I sha...
Speaker | 504 c108 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman is now coming to the end of his remarks. He said that...
Chris Huhne | 504 c108 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman has a lot of experience in this area, but there are real problems with the ...
Tony McNulty | 504 c108 (Link to this contribution)
Don't shake your head; you're supposed to be a radical.
Tony McNulty | 504 c108-9 (Link to this contribution)
I was simply using the device of a Second Reading debate to mention other things that could have bee...
Lee Scott | 504 c109-11 (Link to this contribution)
Although I share the concerns of hon. Members of all parties about the DNA aspects of the Bill, the ...
Tony McNulty | 504 c103 (Link to this contribution)
I was going to agree with the hon. Gentleman, but I do not agree with the example he used. I was ver...
Chris Huhne | 504 c103 (Link to this contribution)
Surely the right hon. Gentleman recognises that the extraordinary spate of new offences is simply un...
Tony McNulty | 504 c103-6 (Link to this contribution)
No, the hon. Gentleman will find that over those three and a half years, I was relatively successful...
Chris Huhne | 504 c103 (Link to this contribution)
Not very successfully.
Tony McNulty | 504 c101-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Meirionnydd Nant Conwy (Mr. Llwyd), not least because I h...
Tony McNulty | 504 c102-3 (Link to this contribution)
Nevertheless, we should start from the premise of a forfeiture of any participation in the early rel...
Tony McNulty | 504 c106 (Link to this contribution)
That is good. There will always be a section 44 area around Heathrow, and rightly so. Sussex always ...
Andrew Pelling | 504 c106 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way, particularly bearing in mind what an effec...
Elfyn Llwyd | 504 c99-100 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased that there will be a pilot because this aspect of the Bill is flawed. The proposal coul...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c99 (Link to this contribution)
The order was suggested by the Association of Chief Police Officers, which has examined the matter p...
Elfyn Llwyd | 504 c97-9 (Link to this contribution)
May I first declare an interest? I have practised in the family and criminal courts for more than 30...
Angela C Smith | 504 c96-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. The police say that a ten-minute Bill, making it e...
Michael Fabricant | 504 c96 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening to the hon. Lady with considerable interest, and particularly with regard to the webs...
Alan Campbell | 504 c101 (Link to this contribution)
I was simply making the point that we have no intention of keeping samples. We will be keeping profi...
Elfyn Llwyd | 504 c101 (Link to this contribution)
I beg the Minister's pardon; I apologise for what I said, in that case.
We must be ever careful of ...
Michael Fabricant | 504 c100 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman points out that his constituency is 100 miles from north to south and from east t...
Elfyn Llwyd | 504 c100-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am not absolutely sure about that. I have a motor car; perhaps the hon. Gentleman still has a mule...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c81 (Link to this contribution)
I am trying to be helpful, and the hon. Gentleman is trying to test still further. I will ensure tha...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c81 (Link to this contribution)
I have a huge amount of time for the Minister, but that is the first time that I have been told that...
Robert Flello | 504 c81-4 (Link to this contribution)
It has been an extremely interesting debate so far, and I hope to add to it. First, however, I will ...
David TC Davies | 504 c84 (Link to this contribution)
It took a moment to sink in: is the hon. Gentleman seriously suggesting that we should reward people...
Robert Flello | 504 c84-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am not suggesting that at all. I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, because i...
Robert Flello | 504 c86-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. He makes an extremely good point, and it ...
John Hemming | 504 c86 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise the difficulty that the hon. Gentleman mentions. A number of victims have told me that t...
Robert Flello | 504 c88 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that intervention, because it brings me nicely on to my next point, which is about...
Tobias Ellwood | 504 c87-8 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making very interesting, if also slightly lurid, comments about mobile phones....
Tony Baldry | 504 c89-92 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, South (Mr. Flello) spoke for nearly 40 minutes, so I can only as...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Again, the hon. Gentleman will know that the courts must uphold the issuing of the order.
Humfrey Malins | 504 c79-80 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, but I am thinking of the first 48 hours, not afterwards when I go to court and say, "Thank God,...
Tony Baldry | 504 c79 (Link to this contribution)
We have non-molestation orders.
Humfrey Malins | 504 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, but there are more in civil proceedings.
Here is the crunch. I am not entirely happy that the ...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c81 (Link to this contribution)
Are they in the Bill?
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c80 (Link to this contribution)
To help in winding up, the proposed penalties are up to two months' imprisonment or a fine of £5,000...
Tony Baldry | 504 c80 (Link to this contribution)
There is also a logistical issue. My hon. Friend is doing the House a great service in drawing atten...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c81 (Link to this contribution)
Where in the Bill are they? I must have missed them.
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c81 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, they are.
Neil Gerrard | 504 c75 (Link to this contribution)
That is right, although the police have not withdrawn. In the street market and shopping centre in m...
Tony Baldry | 504 c75 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the real problem that when the police indicate that they are no longer willing to investigate...
Elfyn Llwyd | 504 c76 (Link to this contribution)
I am following the hon. Gentleman's argument carefully and I fully agree with him. I would make the ...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c75-6 (Link to this contribution)
I begin, as always, by declaring an interest as a lawyer, a Crown court recorder and a part-time dis...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c76 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. He has extensive legal experience and makes the point, which...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c69 (Link to this contribution)
Or "The Wire".
Neil Gerrard | 504 c71-3 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for having been absent for part of the debate, but I had to attend a statutory instrumen...
Neil Gerrard | 504 c73-4 (Link to this contribution)
I would not pretend that statistics relating to ethnicity and crime are not complex. We need to look...
David TC Davies | 504 c73 (Link to this contribution)
I have also heard the criticism that there are proportionately more young black men in prison and ot...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c78-9 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister, for whom I have a great deal of respect, is clearly listening. Although many of the po...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c78 (Link to this contribution)
Let me try to be helpful to the hon. Gentleman, who I know takes such matters seriously. The points ...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c78 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is nodding—they have not implemented. So what about the provisions in the 1996 and 2004...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c78 (Link to this contribution)
indicated assent.
Humfrey Malins | 504 c77 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is so right. His distinguished career at the Bar in earlier days—
Tony Baldry | 504 c76-7 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously this is a discussion for those who are selected to serve on the Committee, but I suspect t...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c77-8 (Link to this contribution)
Very slightly. I understand the hon. Gentleman's point, because it is very frustrating for the polic...
Robert Flello | 504 c77 (Link to this contribution)
I am enjoying listening to the hon. Gentleman's contribution to the debate, but do the provisions in...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c77 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. My hon. Friend's experience will have led him to the absolutely sure conclusion, which we al...
Tony Baldry | 504 c77 (Link to this contribution)
And, I hope, in present days too.
Diane Abbott | 504 c59 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman share my concern about the way in which Ministers, when they advance their a...
Chris Huhne | 504 c59 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is absolutely right. That is a crucial principle. Ministers surreptitiously begin to t...
Ian McCartney | 504 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to the hon. Gentleman in a moment. I have made my criticism, so I will allow him to ...
Chris Huhne | 504 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that, when we have had a chance to look at those measures, they are likely to command a gr...
Chris Huhne | 504 c59 (Link to this contribution)
I shall happily give way again, but probably for the last time to the hon. Gentleman.
David TC Davies | 504 c59 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is being very fair. Will he or the hon. Member for Hackney, North and Stoke Newin...
Ian McCartney | 504 c60-1 (Link to this contribution)
I support my right hon. and hon. Friends and when the time comes, I will vote in favour of the Bill ...
Ian McCartney | 504 c62-4 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend knows very well that I never suggested that hon. Members were using my issue as...
David Davis | 504 c64-6 (Link to this contribution)
I commend the right hon. Member for Makerfield (Mr. McCartney) on his speech; he clearly put a lot o...
Ian McCartney | 504 c61-2 (Link to this contribution)
Having spent 15 years as a Front Bencher in government and in opposition, I must say that I am not u...
Keith Vaz | 504 c62 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend speaks with great passion on that issue, which is very important to him. Howeve...
Elfyn Llwyd | 504 c67 (Link to this contribution)
You are not doing yourself any good either.
David Davis | 504 c67-9 (Link to this contribution)
That does not matter—I am past it.
The simple truth, therefore, is that I do not believe that the H...
David TC Davies | 504 c66 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my namesake for giving way; I am intervening at my peril. There may be some genuine confusio...
David Davis | 504 c66-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for his explanation; he is expert in this, as he serves as a special constabl...
David Davis | 504 c66 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to my namesake.
David TC Davies | 504 c53-4 (Link to this contribution)
The Chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee will also know that four fifths of the people on t...
Keith Vaz | 504 c50-1 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right, and the victims also need to be kept informed. The decisions are taken ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c51 (Link to this contribution)
indicated assent.
Keith Vaz | 504 c51 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is nodding cheerfully to say that the Staffordshire example has been adopted. If so, th...
Keith Vaz | 504 c51-2 (Link to this contribution)
I can assure the shadow Home Secretary that I will be writing to the Home Secretary to confirm that ...
David Davis | 504 c52 (Link to this contribution)
The Chairman of the Select Committee has raised a fundamental and central point—although it will loo...
Keith Vaz | 504 c53 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. The information ought to be available. When the Home S...
Baroness Hoey | 504 c53 (Link to this contribution)
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware, and does he agree, that measures such as the ones that we are dis...
Keith Vaz | 504 c53 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to accept that from my hon. Friend. She represents Brixton in the House. As I mentioned e...
Keith Vaz | 504 c54 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is a distinguished member of the Select Committee, and his questions are always i...
Diane Abbott | 504 c54 (Link to this contribution)
On the point about disproportion, my right hon. Friend will be as aware as I am that the number of b...
Diane Abbott | 504 c56 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will be aware that the officials in the Box are flushed pink with pride.
Chris Huhne | 504 c56 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that the hon. Lady has pointed that out; there certainly seemed to be more commotion in th...
Keith Vaz | 504 c54 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. My hon. Friend was not here when I paid tribute to her work in this area.
I will abstain i...
Chris Huhne | 504 c54-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am always delighted to follow the right hon. Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz), who speaks a ...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c57 (Link to this contribution)
On domestic violence protection notices, I wonder whether there really is a serious gap in the law t...
Chris Huhne | 504 c57-9 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has considerable professional experience of the law, and he makes a very good poi...
David TC Davies | 504 c56 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the reason why so few people are arrested as a result of section 44 precisely because these s...
Chris Huhne | 504 c56-7 (Link to this contribution)
Apart from anything else, I disagree that this is a sensible use of police time. In order to see tha...
Keith Vaz | 504 c123 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the way in which the Minister is putting his arguments across. Having listened to ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c123-4 (Link to this contribution)
As my right hon. Friend knows, I am always willing to listen to debate in Committee because, ultimat...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 504 c43 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman accept that mobile phone technology changes year on year, and that the mobil...
Angela C Smith | 504 c92-6 (Link to this contribution)
This is a wide-ranging Bill, and I originally intended to speak about the provisions on wheel-clampi...
Lord Grayling | 504 c51 (Link to this contribution)
If I may add a word of caution, there are a number of things that are supposed to have been abolishe...
Humfrey Malins | 504 c80 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. He makes a nuts-and-bolts point. The more such points are made i...
David Davis | 504 c69-71 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Member for Epsom and Ewell (Chris Grayling) is not in the Chamber, but I would ha...
Tony Baldry | 504 c38-9 (Link to this contribution)
Not only is it a last-gasp Bill, but the Home Secretary could not bring himself to brief the House o...
Lord Grayling | 504 c38 (Link to this contribution)
As a typical Bill at the tail-end of a Parliament, this had all the potential to be a doggy-bag of a...
Alan Johnson | 504 c26 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot answer that question at the moment. My right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary and others a...
Ian McCartney | 504 c116 (Link to this contribution)
I call the hon. Member for Bournemouth, East (Mr. Ellwood) my hon. Friend, because we have worked on...
Chris Huhne | 504 c59-60 (Link to this contribution)
I know that the hon. Gentleman is a member of the special constabulary, and that he will therefore h...
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