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Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Wednesday, 4 November 2009, in the House of Commons.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
498 c873-959 
Session
2008-09
Department
Ministry of Justice
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Wayne David | 498 c956-7 (Link to this contribution) There are no budgetary implications for this Government. Any budgetary implications would be in the ...
David Gauke | 498 c956 (Link to this contribution) I shall make a less partisan point. Does this measure have any budgetary implications and, if so, wh...

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Wayne David | 498 c956 (Link to this contribution) I assure the hon. Gentleman that that is not the case. Incidentally, the Labour party is back on top...
David Gauke | 498 c956 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says that the delay was due to a technical difficulty. Will he reassure the Committee t...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c959 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Member for Cambridge (David Howarth) for his contribution, which reflects his passi...
David Howarth | 498 c958-9 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time. It is something of a shame that a new clause ...
Wayne David | 498 c956 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c956 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendment 43.
Wayne David | 498 c956 (Link to this contribution) New clause 24 will confer legislative competence on the National Assembly for Wales. Such provisions...
David Howarth | 498 c953 (Link to this contribution) That explains things, and I thank the Minister. Obviously the issue here is whether someone could be...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c954 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 42, page 71, line 20, at end insert—
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c954 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 41, page 21, line 25, leave out 'must' and insert
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c951-3 (Link to this contribution) Off the top of my head, I cannot guarantee that, but I will endeavour to get a response to the hon. ...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c953 (Link to this contribution) We obviously obtained the views of the commission and considered them carefully. We think that the t...
David Howarth | 498 c953 (Link to this contribution) Yes, of course I will seek leave to withdraw amendment 29, and I thank the Government and the Father...
Lord Tyrie | 498 c951 (Link to this contribution) Will the definition of working for the Crown be the same as the definition that will be used for det...
David Howarth | 498 c950-1 (Link to this contribution) The amendments relate to discrepancies between the contents of the Bill and the Public Accounts Comm...
Alan Williams | 498 c951 (Link to this contribution) The proposal relating to the advisory committee is certainly what we originally recommended. I think...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c950 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
David Howarth | 498 c950 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 29, page 20, line 33, leave out 'specified person' and insert 'Advisory Comm...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c946 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.
David Gauke | 498 c946 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for providing the information about the current CAG. Given that he was...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c945-6 (Link to this contribution) Of course, we share everybody's wishes for greater transparency, and, as has been said by many Membe...
Alan Williams | 498 c928-9 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman recollect that the one proposal that we turned down from Tiner was his sugge...
Edward Leigh | 498 c933 (Link to this contribution) I have taken advice on this. The Comptroller and Auditor General has statutory access to contractors...
Edward Leigh | 498 c929-30 (Link to this contribution) I should have made that clear; it is a very important point. In other words, it is virtually impossi...
Philip Dunne | 498 c930-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee for clarifying the important tenets o...
Edward Leigh | 498 c929 (Link to this contribution) It was the same process. I am grateful to the Father of the House for his generous offer to surrende...
Alan Williams | 498 c929 (Link to this contribution) Will the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee bear in mind that there is an important extra saf...
Edward Leigh | 498 c931-2 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, morale in the National Audit Office is now very high. It went through a sticky p...
David Howarth | 498 c932-3 (Link to this contribution) May I say that I was immensely reassured by the speech of the Chairman of the Public Accounts Commit...
Edward Leigh | 498 c931 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I am not giving away any confidences by saying that Amyas Morse told me this week that i...
Lord Tyrie | 498 c931 (Link to this contribution) Does the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee agree that, taking all things into account, we no...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c942 (Link to this contribution) It is indeed important that we have had this debate and put that on record. Of course, the Public Ac...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c943 (Link to this contribution) I think "belt and braces" is probably an appropriate description! The CAG carries out a huge range o...
David Howarth | 498 c943 (Link to this contribution) I want to ask about the necessity of this clause. The Father of the House might correct me, but I do...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c943 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to respond to the hon. Gentleman. The clause does not set out a new power. In the past th...
Edward Leigh | 498 c945 (Link to this contribution) I am fairly relaxed about amendment 57. The CAG publishes details already of all his expenses and al...
David Gauke | 498 c944 (Link to this contribution) The Father of the House makes a good point—the CAG is further ahead. On the whole, we believe there ...
Alan Williams | 498 c944 (Link to this contribution) The CAG already submits his expenses to me as Chairman of the commission and publishes them on a six...
David Gauke | 498 c943-4 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 57, in clause 40, page 20, line 20, at end insert— ‘(10) All remuneration, ...
Philip Dunne | 498 c945 (Link to this contribution) I support amendment 57. It is obviously ironic that Members should be talking about the pay and rati...
David Gauke | 498 c939 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. The Father of the House states the essence of that case. The alternative case, as advocated ...
Philip Dunne | 498 c939-40 (Link to this contribution) I endorse my hon. Friend's tentative concerns and shall start where he finished—on the extent to whi...
David Howarth | 498 c940 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must have covered the point by now, but will he clarify that he did not mean that...
Philip Dunne | 498 c940 (Link to this contribution) I completely understand that point and am grateful for that clarification. Indeed, as the Father of ...
Philip Dunne | 498 c940 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. If I have given the impression that I am concerned about that, I would like to correct it. T...
Philip Dunne | 498 c941 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that clarification. I understand the need to put in place structures to help the i...
Alan Williams | 498 c939 (Link to this contribution) Under the Bill, the CAG retains his absolute discretion in relation to his statutory duties. It cann...
David Gauke | 498 c938-9 (Link to this contribution) Clause 38 deals with the status of the Comptroller and Auditor General. Subsection (8) highlights an...
Kelvin Hopkins | 498 c938 (Link to this contribution) I give notice that I shall seek leave to withdraw amendment 68, but I want to make a few remarks in ...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c937-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not agree. Although we are reforming it and making the NAO more accountable, there is still a v...
Philip Dunne | 498 c937 (Link to this contribution) The Minister referred a moment ago to the powers of the Public Accounts Commission being strengthene...
Alan Williams | 498 c937 (Link to this contribution) To meet that situation, we built in a requirement that there should be a code to govern the relation...
David Howarth | 498 c933 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. The purpose is thought to be only to audit the Government Department and n...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c934-5 (Link to this contribution) I can certainly confirm that that is the Government's intention. After all the work the Chair of the...
David Howarth | 498 c934 (Link to this contribution) At this point, will the Minister clear up one particular problem with the drafting of clause 37? Cla...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c935-6 (Link to this contribution) I can only say to the hon. Gentleman that, as I said just now, further work is ongoing on what we ca...
David Gauke | 498 c935 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister explain, therefore, why the Government have, in recent years, refused to publish th...
David Howarth | 498 c933 (Link to this contribution) I accept that point from the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee. In fact, many of these consi...
Edward Leigh | 498 c933 (Link to this contribution) The Bill is primarily about the governance of the National Audit Office; it is not about audit right...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c934 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this afternoon, Sir Alan. This part of the Bill i...
David Heath | 498 c882-3 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for getting us out of a procedural conundrum in respect of exactly who should be speaking,...
Lord Wills | 498 c883 (Link to this contribution) As has been discussed, clause 35 gives effect to schedule 5, which makes amendments relating to judi...
Edward Timpson | 498 c884 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister might recall, this was an issue that I raised with the Lord Chancellor on Second Rea...
Lord Wills | 498 c884 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman and if he will bear with me, I shall come to that point as I pro...
Edward Timpson | 498 c883 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has mentioned that some minor amendments to this Bill are being proposed to try to stre...
Lord Wills | 498 c883 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to set out our thinking. It would give me a little more help in addressing the hon. Gentl...
Pete Wishart | 498 c879 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady was articulating a powerful point before she was interrupted in full flow by the Minis...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 498 c879 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for agreeing with my point. Like me, he spends many hours in Delegated Le...
Lord Wills | 498 c879 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief, as I do not want to protract proceedings unduly. I am sure the whole House has not...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 498 c879-80 (Link to this contribution) The Minister shows great faith in his Government, but neither the hon. Member for Perth and North Pe...
David Heath | 498 c881-2 (Link to this contribution) I wish to ask the Minister exactly what the words "pared down" mean. That was the Government's descr...
Lord Wills | 498 c882 (Link to this contribution) I will come to the burden of what the hon. Gentleman has been saying, but it may help the Committee ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c882 (Link to this contribution) Order. The Minister is correct. The hon. Member for Somerton and Frome (Mr. Heath) was moving his di...
Lord Wills | 498 c882 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Sir Michael. If the hon. Member for Somerton and Frome wants to ask individual ...
David Heath | 498 c882 (Link to this contribution) I just want to be clear, Sir Michael, whether we are dealing with schedule 5 stand part at the same ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c882 (Link to this contribution) It was the hon. Gentleman who led us astray in the first place by moving his discussion from the cla...
Lord Wills | 498 c878 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to interrupt the hon. Lady in the middle of her flow, but she is straying into very da...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 498 c878 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that answer, which is perfectly in order, and I appreciate that that is as ...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 498 c879 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister's protection, and I fully appreciate, and agree with, what he says ab...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 498 c877 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Government's approach to the introduction of time limits for human rights action again...
Lord Wills | 498 c878 (Link to this contribution) I just want to see if I can set the hon. Lady's mind at rest on this. This measure affects all conve...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 498 c877-8 (Link to this contribution) We also welcome these provisions. I welcome the provisions already in the Bill, and I was pleased to...
Pete Wishart | 498 c876 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I have been a little less generous than I should have been. Of course I understand that a pr...
Lord Wills | 498 c876-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made an extremely important point about human rights legislation. I agree tha...
David Heath | 498 c876 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to oppose the amendments and new clause. I entirely understand the route by which th...
Lord Wills | 498 c876 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman recognise that this is an immensely complex legal issue? Does he also recogn...
Pete Wishart | 498 c875 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. In fact, the House passed an order throug...
David Heath | 498 c875 (Link to this contribution) The order passed in this House enabled the Scottish Parliament to pass amendments to the Scotland Ac...
Pete Wishart | 498 c875 (Link to this contribution) I support Government new clause 43 and hope that this is the end of a protracted and difficult saga ...
Lord Wills | 498 c873-5 (Link to this contribution) May I say what a pleasure it is be here, Sir Michael, and to speak to amendments 90 and 91 and new c...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c873 (Link to this contribution) I remind the Committee that with this we are considering the following:
Lord Wills | 498 c873 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 90, page 16, line 28, leave out lines 28 to 30 and insert—
Lord Wills | 498 c884-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is nodding. There is general agreement that this needs to be quicker, and the pro...
Lord Wills | 498 c887-8 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman is using the very wide margin of appreciation afforded to Opposition...
David Heath | 498 c887 (Link to this contribution) I think that we can take it from what the Minister has said that, when the Government told the Joint...
Lord Wills | 498 c888-9 (Link to this contribution) I think that it partially answers the hon. Gentleman's question if I say that we are seeking to corr...
David Heath | 498 c888 (Link to this contribution) I have a couple of very brief questions about clause 36. They also relate to Government new clause 2...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 498 c890 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Minister's comments on new clause 23. I have a couple of brief questions. I should be ...
Lord Wills | 498 c889-90 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time. In speaking to the new clause, I hope I will ...
Lord Wills | 498 c892 (Link to this contribution) I intervene with great hesitancy because I am interested in the word picture that he is painting of ...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c892 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right about that. It indicates the Government's cavalier attitude to parts of the ...
Oliver Heald | 498 c891-2 (Link to this contribution) Is my recollection correct, and does my hon. Friend remember, that the Lord Chief Justice was told f...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c890-1 (Link to this contribution) I should declare an interest as a barrister. I should also point out that I am not at present seekin...
Jeremy Wright | 498 c892 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that this issue is part and parcel of the problem with the Government's ov...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c892 (Link to this contribution) Again, my hon. Friend, who followed the issue carefully at the time, is absolutely spot-on. Indeed, ...
Oliver Heald | 498 c892 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the JAC is an important part of the patchwork of compromises and deci...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c892 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for taking over the role of the Chair. It is important to understand t...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c890 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss new clause 22—
Lord Wills | 498 c890 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his welcome for the new clause and for his questions. We con...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c890 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
David Gauke | 498 c926 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, and I am sure that his points will be noted. Both roles would be im...
Oliver Heald | 498 c926 (Link to this contribution) My first thought was that, to assess the sustainability of public finances, we need expert economist...
Edward Leigh | 498 c927-8 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in favour of clause 37, which covers the office of the Comptroller and Auditor Gener...
David Gauke | 498 c924-5 (Link to this contribution) In which case, Sir Alan, I shall make those points now. This part of the Bill, as the Father of the...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c924 (Link to this contribution) Order. I was hoping not to have a stand part debate in view of the fact that, with the new clause, t...
David Gauke | 498 c926 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend's intervention. That would be an interesting structure, although I ...
Oliver Heald | 498 c926 (Link to this contribution) I have been wondering whether the CAG would be the right person to be in charge of the office for bu...
Edward Leigh | 498 c928 (Link to this contribution) The chairman's role was simply to advise. He is a very distinguished gentleman—he is the dean of the...
Philip Dunne | 498 c928 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has just referred to the chairman of the National Audit Office having some involvemen...
Kelvin Hopkins | 498 c923 (Link to this contribution) I accept entirely what my right hon. Friend says, but I hope that one purpose of the Bill is to rest...
Alan Williams | 498 c923 (Link to this contribution) That is not the purpose of the Bill. The statutory powers are already in place, and the purpose of t...
Kelvin Hopkins | 498 c923 (Link to this contribution) It gives me great pleasure to speak to these amendments, if briefly. In a major piece of legislatio...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c923 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Kelvin Hopkins | 498 c922 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 68, page 18, line 19, at end add—
Lord Wills | 498 c917-8 (Link to this contribution) No, as I want to come to the real burden of my remarks. We have spent quite a lot of time on what ev...
David Gauke | 498 c924 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for tabling these amendments and the new clause. I suspect that the quest...
Kelvin Hopkins | 498 c923 (Link to this contribution) Clearly my right hon. Friend and I disagree, but I hope it will be accepted that the restatement of ...
David Heath | 498 c914 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman wishes to intervene on the subject of carpets.
David Heath | 498 c914-5 (Link to this contribution) We have got an excellent building. Those who represent the top of this country's judicial processes ...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c916 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has challenged me, and I shall investigate this fully, but surely the point is that the...
Lord Wills | 498 c915-6 (Link to this contribution) Again, we have had a very interesting debate. The hon. Member for North-West Norfolk (Mr. Bellingham...
Lord Wills | 498 c916 (Link to this contribution) When I say like for like, I know that the running costs are not exactly the same and that of course ...
Lord Wills | 498 c917 (Link to this contribution) Of course we must get value for money, which is exactly what I said. As I shall describe in a moment...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 498 c911 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind the hon. Gentleman that we are discussing whether to have a chief executive of the S...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c912 (Link to this contribution) I am certainly confident that I am comparing like with like. The actual costs of running the Judicia...
Lord Wills | 498 c912 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, but is he absolutely confident that he is comparing like...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c911 (Link to this contribution) I will come on to that quickly, and I am grateful to you, Mrs. Anderson, for that reminder. Obviousl...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c913 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is a distinguished academic and we have debated such issues many times. He will r...
David Howarth | 498 c913 (Link to this contribution) I am now a little concerned by the hon. Gentleman's argument, because it seems to me that it means t...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c912-3 (Link to this contribution) Yes—the actual administrative costs: the running costs. As Hansard shows, in 2005 the Minister reply...
Lord Wills | 498 c912 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to intervene on the hon. Gentleman again, but I want to be absolutely clear about this. H...
David Heath | 498 c913-4 (Link to this contribution) I was expecting a totally different argument from the hon. Member for North-West Norfolk (Mr. Bellin...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c910 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief. The Minister has been his normal charming self. I do not agree with everything he s...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c911 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time. New clause 21 relates to the Supreme Court. A...
Jeremy Wright | 498 c907-8 (Link to this contribution) Is not the central thesis of the argument put forward by my hon. Friend the Member for North-East He...
Lord Wills | 498 c908 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, because I was about to come to precisely ...
David Howarth | 498 c908 (Link to this contribution) May I support the Minister even further? It is clear to those who have studied the judiciary over lo...
Lord Wills | 498 c908-10 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman who, as always, brings a great deal of learning and knowledge to...
Oliver Heald | 498 c906 (Link to this contribution) Is not the fault in the Minister's thinking the fact that, in Britain, that has never been our way o...
Lord Wills | 498 c907 (Link to this contribution) With all respect for the hon. Gentleman, his understanding of our constitutional history is flawed. ...
Oliver Heald | 498 c907 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the Minister that there are elements of separated powers in Britain, because each of th...
Lord Wills | 498 c907 (Link to this contribution) Of course the hon. Gentleman is right. We do not have a written constitution in which these things a...
Lord Wills | 498 c906 (Link to this contribution) May I start by welcoming you to the Chair, Mrs. Anderson? You have assumed it since we began this de...
David Heath | 498 c905-6 (Link to this contribution) There is an awful lot wrong with ministerial appointments, but let us not divert ourselves by discus...
Oliver Heald | 498 c904 (Link to this contribution) It is one thing to hark back to the Victorian period, but the ladies justices of appeal, who have be...
David Heath | 498 c904-5 (Link to this contribution) But not enough of them. And look at the Supreme Court—there are not enough there! We cannot hold up ...
Oliver Heald | 498 c904 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman think there would be any difficulties with a system in which the Lord Chance...
Edward Timpson | 498 c903 (Link to this contribution) Why does the hon. Gentleman think that the Joint Committee came to the position that the JAC was bei...
David Heath | 498 c903 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, a process, however simple, can be delayed in its execution. It might well be that those c...
David Heath | 498 c902-3 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely, and it showed good co-operation between the two ends of Parliament and with the se...
Jeremy Wright | 498 c895 (Link to this contribution) In the context that my hon. Friend is correctly describing, is it not all the more important to ensu...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c897-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend, who until his spectacular by-election victory was active in the courts day i...
Jeremy Wright | 498 c898 (Link to this contribution) Given that the Government's intention in setting up the JAC was to encourage those who would not oth...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c898-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that point, because it leads me on to a briefing that I h...
Oliver Heald | 498 c899-901 (Link to this contribution) May I start by talking about the quality of judiciary that we want to attract in this country? We ha...
Oliver Heald | 498 c902 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman obviously has all the necessary trappings to become a judge, as he is asking who ...
David Heath | 498 c902 (Link to this contribution) I listened carefully to the hon. Member for North-West Norfolk (Mr. Bellingham) and I heard much bac...
Oliver Heald | 498 c902 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that a combination of Lord Woolf and the Conservative and Liberal Demo...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c895-7 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend asked me, "Is the JAC working?", I would say that it is not doing a bad job. Howev...
Edward Timpson | 498 c897 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the Minister should welcome new clauses 20 and 22, as they would cont...
Oliver Heald | 498 c893 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one great thing about ethnic minority solicitors is that they have be...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c892-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is 100 per cent. correct, because we have seen a hotchpotch of different reforms. Ind...
David Heath | 498 c894 (Link to this contribution) I am listening intently to the preamble to the subject of the hon. Gentleman's new clauses. I unders...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c894 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman waits a little while, he will hear the answer, because I am about to come to i...
Lord Wills | 498 c894 (Link to this contribution) Again, may I just say how much I am enjoying this paean of praise to equality and diversity? It is p...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c894 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is obviously desperate to join the Chairmen's Panel, whereupon he will be able to contr...
Lord Wills | 498 c895 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Gentleman remind the Committee of the Conservative plans to increase the legal aid budg...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c895 (Link to this contribution) We have no plans to increase the amount of money for the legal aid budget. That budget is £2.1 billi...
Lord Wills | 498 c894 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is now getting to the guts of his argument, but will he clarify something, as muc...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c894-5 (Link to this contribution) I think that they are excellent appointments, but they could have taken place under the old system a...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c893 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that observation, because it illustrates the Government's comple...
Alan Williams | 498 c940 (Link to this contribution) May I clarify that it was in that very area of work, throughout the world and so on, that some of th...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c914 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman obviously never appeared before a Crown court judge in that building when it was ...
Edward Timpson | 498 c916 (Link to this contribution) I take the Minister's point about the Supreme Court's being the apex of our judicial system, but mos...
David Heath | 498 c877 (Link to this contribution) And I am grateful to the Minister for his intervention. Such arguments often go without adequate reb...
David Howarth | 498 c943 (Link to this contribution) In a way that is a rather disturbing answer, because clause 38 already states:""The Comptroller and ...
Edward Leigh | 498 c936 (Link to this contribution) Let us be practical about this. We worked as a team. I was sitting there with Nick Macpherson, the p...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c937 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Father of the House for that intervention, too. It is important that we have seen the pr...
Philip Dunne | 498 c934 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to detain the Committee for long, but I would like to follow up the observation I ma...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 498 c951 (Link to this contribution) As we have established this afternoon, the office of the Comptroller and Auditor General was set up ...
Alan Williams | 498 c941 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right in what he said about expenses. We virtually dealt with that by having t...
Edward Leigh | 498 c941-2 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can explain how the National Audit Office will work as a corporate entity. As such, it wil...
Lord Bellingham | 498 c918-9 (Link to this contribution) The Minister, in his usual charming way, has been extremely persuasive. Although he made some good p...
David Heath | 498 c904 (Link to this contribution) In the case of the current Lord Chancellor and Lord Chief Justice, the difference would probably not...
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