Welfare Reform Bill. Lords Report stage second day. New clauses (Amendments 62) debated and agreed. New clause (Amendment 63) debated and withdrawn. New clause (Amendment 73) agreed. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 75 2008-09).
Welfare Reform Bill
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
713 c1105-39 
Session
2008-09
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1126-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of amendments was first tabled in Committee but subsequently withdrawn followin...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 713 c1127-8 (Link to this contribution)
87A: Schedule 6, page 95, line 23 at end insert—
"(1A) The father of the child does not automaticall...
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1124-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the noble Lord’s clarification.
The noble Lord, Lord Freud, referred to somebody’...
Lord Freud | 713 c1126 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted that the word "churlish" is to be banished from considerations in this Hous...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1126 (Link to this contribution)
84: Schedule 6, page 93, line 28, after "subsection" insert "by regulations made by the Minister"
A...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1126 (Link to this contribution)
85: Schedule 6, page 94, leave out lines 12 to 19 and insert—
"(6) The Minister may by regulations p...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1124 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for the amendment and I thank other noble Lords who ha...
Lord Northbourne | 713 c1124 (Link to this contribution)
My understanding was that, if there were a sunset clause, that would make the Government think again...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1119 (Link to this contribution)
70: Clause 34, page 40, line 12, leave out "(2)(d)" and insert "(2)(e)"
Amendment 70 agreed.
Claus...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1120-1 (Link to this contribution)
74: Clause 40, page 44, line 9, after "33" insert "or an order under section (Power to repeal exclus...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1120 (Link to this contribution)
73: After Clause 39, insert the following new Clause—
"Power to repeal exclusion of community care s...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1120 (Link to this contribution)
72: Clause 36, page 42, line 4, at end insert—
"(3A) Subsections (5)(a) and (6)(a) of section 31 do ...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1119-20 (Link to this contribution)
71: Clause 35, page 41, line 28, leave out "(2)(d)" and insert "(2)(e)"
Amendment 71 agreed.
Claus...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 713 c1122-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments. If the noble Lord, Lord Freud, presses them, I will happily foll...
Lord Freud | 713 c1121-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am proposing this set of amendments, which I consider to be consequential on the first o...
Lord Freud | 713 c1121 (Link to this contribution)
79: Clause 43, page 48, line 42, at end insert "or a travel authorisation"
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1121 (Link to this contribution)
77: Clause 41, page 44, line 18, at end insert—
""community care services" means—
(a) in relation to...
Lord Northbourne | 713 c1123-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am inclined to support the amendment. It is important that we make it clear to all poten...
Lord Freud | 713 c1115-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to add my name to this set of amendments alongside those of the Minister, the...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 713 c1115 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we strongly support the amendments. My only regret is that the noble Baroness, Lady Campbe...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1117 (Link to this contribution)
65: Clause 31, page 38, line 13, at end insert—
"(4A) Subsection (4) is subject to section 36(3A) (w...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1116-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in support of these amendments. I shall start, if ...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1117-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving Amendment 68, I shall also speak to Amendments 69 to 71.
In Committee debates o...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1117 (Link to this contribution)
68: Clause 33, page 39, line 16, leave out subsection (2) and insert—
"(2) Regulations under this se...
Lord Freud | 713 c1119 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, once again we support this set of amendments, alongside the Government, the Liberal Democr...
Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 713 c1118-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that this amendment is going to do something for the kind of case I have very much ...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1119 (Link to this contribution)
I thank noble Lords for their responses. In reply to the noble Lady, Lady Saltoun, I do not know per...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1119 (Link to this contribution)
69: Clause 33, page 39, line 33, leave out paragraph (c)
Amendment 69 agreed.
Clause 34 : Provisio...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 713 c1113 (Link to this contribution)
I thank everybody who has participated in the debate, and my noble friend for the further assurances...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 713 c1112 (Link to this contribution)
I am persuaded by the process that the Minister is explaining to the House, but he might make more p...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1111-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for her amendment and all noble Lords who have spoken. Let me reit...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 713 c1111 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also strongly support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Turner of Camden. I feel...
Countess of Mar | 713 c1111 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may ask the noble Lord what the difference is between changing the name of this ...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 713 c1111 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, just to encourage the Minister, perhaps I may remind him that recent polling for the Royal...
Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 713 c1114-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, happy days! While many of us were having our summer holidays, the Minister and his officia...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1113 (Link to this contribution)
64: Clause 31, page 38, line 7, at end insert—
"( ) the provision of residential accommodation for P...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1113-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to the other government amendments in the group. As noble Lords will re...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 713 c1107-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for his statement in support of the amendment before the House. Wh...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1106-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak also to the other government amendment in this group. Today we return to an i...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 713 c1108-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, for the sake of completeness, I shall make this all-party. The campaign that the Royal Bri...
Lord Freud | 713 c1108 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we welcome the government amendment. As the Minister said, the noble Baroness, Lady Turner...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1105-6 (Link to this contribution)
62: After Clause 28, insert the following new Clause—
"Power to rename council tax benefit
(1) The S...
Countess of Mar | 713 c1109 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, did the noble Lord say that he was thinking about coming back at Third Reading with a shor...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1109-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the support that the amendment has received from the noble Lord, Lord Fr...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 713 c1110 (Link to this contribution)
63: After Clause 28, insert the following new Clause—
"Income-related benefits
In section 123(1)(e) ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 713 c1110-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I moved this amendment in Committee, when I had a very sympathetic response from the Minis...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords for this short but very important debate. We had an extensive debate i...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 713 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, surely the compulsory birth registration of unmarried parents is a new system. We are seek...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 713 c1130-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. I remind the Minister that I took part at an earlier stage of the...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 713 c1131-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. First, I apologise to the House that I have not been here so far ...
Baroness Afshar | 713 c1132 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add my support and thanks for the changes that have been made and for the acceptance of ...
Lord Northbourne | 713 c1132 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment has been powerfully spoken to and I shall not add anything except to say tha...
Lord Freud | 713 c1132-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened with care to the arguments put forward by the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas,...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 713 c1133 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had not intended to speak to this amendment but, having heard what the previous speaker ...
Lord Lyell of Markyate | 713 c1133 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, come lately to this issue, but I have been listening to the argument. The argument...
Countess of Mar | 713 c1133-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. As the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy, said, it seems unfair ...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand that and I say to the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas, that none of us wants to s...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 713 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Baroness just tell me whether she rules out an amendment from the government now or no...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 713 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
I am not asking for a cut-and-dried guarantee, I am just asking for the possibility—as long as the n...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness sits down, I cannot give that assurance that there will be an amendment at...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 713 c1136-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have supported the amendment. We heard some powerful contribut...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, while of course we would remain open to the experience and advice that we as a department ...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 713 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether I can clarify that. Is the Minister saying that she will offer a meeting to discuss...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1135-6 (Link to this contribution)
I listened extremely carefully. Noble Lords would expect me to show great respect to the noble and l...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 713 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
The problem is not the birth registration but the granting of parental responsibility which follows ...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1134-5 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that. Of course I listen very carefully to the great experience of the noble and learne...
Lord Northbourne | 713 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
Am I right in thinking that it would be perfectly open to the noble Baroness to bring back her amend...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness is entitled to raise an amendment, if she wishes to; she is entitled to test the ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1139 (Link to this contribution)
97: Clause 50, page 52, line 4, after "provisions);" insert—
"section (Power to rename council tax b...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
That is a matter for the noble Baroness.
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 713 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I will accept the positive attitude on the part of the Government and the meeting and, ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
88: Schedule 6, page 95, line 32, leave out "and"
89: Schedule 6, page 95, line 35, at end insert ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1138-9 (Link to this contribution)
93: Schedule 7, page 105, line 34, column 2, leave out "and (3)(a)" and insert ", (3)(a), (7A), (8)(...
Baroness Crawley | 713 c1127 (Link to this contribution)
86: Schedule 6, page 94, line 45, leave out "and"
87: Schedule 6, page 95, line 2, at end insert "...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 713 c1128-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment is different from the one I moved in Grand Committee on the subject of join...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 713 c1112-3 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the noble Lord’s point. I cannot give an absolute assurance because it depends on a lot...
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