Policing and Crime Bill. Lords Committee stage fifth day. Clauses 49 to 95, 99 to 117 agreed to, with clause 116 agreed to as amended. Clauses 96, 97, 98 disagreed to. Schedule 6 agreed to. Schedule 7 and 8 agreed to as amended. Bill reported as amended (HL Bill 74).
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713 c578-638,653-98 
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2008-09
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Policing and Crime Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 48-EN also published
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Wednesday, 20 May 2009
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 713 c694 (Link to this contribution)
Schedule 7: Minor and consequential amendments
Amendment 160
160: Schedule 7, page 169, line 32, l...
Lord Brett | 713 c695-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to resist this amendment, although I recognise the concern that police authorities ...
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Baroness Harris of Richmond | 713 c694-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I must declare an interest as a former chair of a police authority and the present vice-pr...
Lord Brett | 713 c696-7 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 161 and 162
161: Schedule 7, page 172, line 30, leave out from "of" to end of line 38 an...
Lord Brett | 713 c697-8 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 165
165: Schedule 8, page 200, line 26, at end insert—
"Part 11A
Misuse of Drugs Act 1971...
Lord Brett | 713 c698 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 166
166: Clause 116, page 134, line 14, leave out "and" and insert—
"(ba) section (Remova...
Lord Brett | 713 c689 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment seeks to amend Section 23(3) of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 and the amendments in th...
Lord Brett | 713 c688-9 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 159F
159F: After Clause 111, insert the following new Clause—
"Removal of limitation on w...
Lord Brett | 713 c693 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is with great trepidation that I come to the Dispatch Box to cross swords with the nobl...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 713 c693-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful that the Government want to consult; that is always sensible, but perhaps I may deal w...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 713 c690-2 (Link to this contribution)
So late is the hour that I shall draw attention to the fact that the Minister seems to think that we...
Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c692-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I assure your Lordships’ Committee that there is absolutely no way, in any possible sense,...
Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c689 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you.
Amendment 159F agreed.
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 713 c689-90 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 159G
159G: After Clause 111, insert the following new Clause—
"Exemption from civil proce...
Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c689 (Link to this contribution)
I have a quick question: why now?
Lord Brett | 713 c689 (Link to this contribution)
Essentially, at the point at which this legislation was going to the other House, representation was...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c683 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment deals with the ability of the Independent Police Complaints Commission to d...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c683 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have sympathy with this amendment. Could the Minister clarify what the remit of the IPCC...
Lord Brett | 713 c683-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the IPCC was set up in 2004 to undertake a dual role of ensuring the effective and efficie...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c684-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the support of the Conservative Front Bench for this amendment. Despite the Mini...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c685 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 159EA
159EA: After Clause 109, insert the following new Clause—
"Policing of transport in...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c685 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will not detain the Committee for long but this is a very important amendment. The fact ...
Lord Berkeley | 713 c685-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. Earlier this evening, we discussed similar issues. I was interest...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c686-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should respond to the charge levelled against me by the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, that ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c614 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am familiar with the fact that the jurisdiction of the chief magistrate in Bow Street, l...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c614 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 76: Use of live link in extradition proceedings
Amendment 152AKG
152AKG: Clause 76, page 92...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c614-5 (Link to this contribution)
This deals with live links in criminal proceedings. Live links can be very useful, but they have the...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c617 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 77: Security planning for airports
Amendment 152AL
152AL: Clause 77, page 95, line 24, at e...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c616-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not so much concerned about the Treasury's expenditure; I am much more concerned with...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c618-9 (Link to this contribution)
I have tabled a number of amendments in this group on the policing of aerodromes. The representation...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c617-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 152AL, 152AM, 152AS and 152AT are probing. They relate to the membership of ris...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c620-1 (Link to this contribution)
The 10 amendments in this group deal with a variety of issues. I sense that the issues that the nobl...
Lord Berkeley | 713 c619-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw. We are talking about a s...
Earl of Onslow | 713 c607-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, due to what the noble and learned Baroness said on the previous amendment, I do not think ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c608 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AKF
152AKF: Before Clause 75, insert the following new Clause—
"Unlawful rendition and...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c611-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the noble and learned Baroness for her reply. I had hoped to spend much of thi...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 713 c610-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise to my noble friend for rising too quickly. I say both to my noble friend and t...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c608-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment is proposed by Liberty and its purpose is to introduce a new clause into th...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 713 c612-4 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the way in which the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, and the noble Baroness, Lady ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c612 (Link to this contribution)
We share the view that it should not be necessary to extend the period in this way. There is an obli...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c612 (Link to this contribution)
We have given notice that we oppose the question that Clause 75 stand part of the Bill. In so doing,...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c628-9 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, because he has approached the issue from the other end. Many ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c629 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we agree with the sentiments that have just been expressed. There are four amendments stan...
Lord Berkeley | 713 c629-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the three noble Lords who have spoken on this group have made some strong points, but what...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 713 c630 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope when my noble friend responds to this short debate that he will give a categorical ...
Lord Rosser | 713 c626-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, one of the objectives of the Bill is to introduce a level playing field for the payment of...
Lord Rosser | 713 c632 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having listened to that reply, I do not think that the Government are looking at this issu...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c630-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it would be a little churlish of me not to start by thanking my noble friend Lord Harris o...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 713 c633 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AV
152AV: Clause 77, page 102, line 25, leave out "Secretary of State" and insert "Hom...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c633 (Link to this contribution)
We on these Benches support the points that the noble Lord has been making. I do not think that anyo...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c622 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord will contain his impatience for just a second, he will find that I answer exactly ...
Lord Berkeley | 713 c622 (Link to this contribution)
How can my noble friend change his view?
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c621 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend for that intervention. We will discuss the jurisdiction of the BTP ...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c621 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, but chief officers would have no such inhibitions if the bil...
Lord Berkeley | 713 c621 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend. Can he explain the boundary between the BTP’s policing of Birmingh...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c625-6 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously, the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, will speak for himself. On the basis of the assurances giv...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c625 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can respond to the two points made by the noble Baroness. Continuous monitoring is an un...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c624-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply and he is right to say that it was long. We seem to have two sets...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c624 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for what he has had to say, but I fundamentally disagree with him. I believe th...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c622-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am speaking for the Government from the Dispatch Box and I have been thoroughly convinced by the c...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c604 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment and the ones grouped with it, which I put forward, are suggested to us by J...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c603 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 67: Extradition to category 1 territory
Amendment 152AKAD
152AKAD: Clause 67, page 81, line...
Earl of Onslow | 713 c606 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 72: Return to extraditing territory etc
Amendment 152AKB
152AKB: Clause 72, page 90, line 3...
Earl of Onslow | 713 c606 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment arises from the Joint Committee on Human Rights. The Bill states: ""Nothing...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 713 c607 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, while I understand the aspiration behind the amendment of the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, and...
Earl of Onslow | 713 c607 (Link to this contribution)
I love being flattered by the noble and learned Baroness—it is very egoistic. I am grateful for what...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 713 c604-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think I understand the basis on which the noble Lord makes his contention in relation to...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 713 c606 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on the noble Lord’s first question, the issue is whether the court has capacity to make th...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c606 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall certainly do that in a moment and consider what the noble and learned Baroness sai...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c679-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of three amendments concerns particularly the terrorism legislation that has a ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c680 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, despite the lateness of the hour, I rise to support the amendments. Under this Government,...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c683 (Link to this contribution)
That is, indeed, a very helpful reply from the Minister. He has clearly highlighted that, on the one...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c683 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 159D
159D: After Clause 108, insert the following new Clause—
"Independent Police Complai...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c681 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Jones, for her support for the amen...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c681 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 159C
159C: After Clause 108, insert the following new Clause—
"Duty of identification
(1)...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c682 (Link to this contribution)
It would be nice to think that the police would not need to have it set in statute that they need to...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c654 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply and for outlining how the powers would be exercised. I...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c654 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152BB
152BB: Clause 77, page 104, line 43, at end insert—
"24ASA Provision of assistance
...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 713 c637-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for those responses. I was less clear at the end of the f...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c635-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 152AV, 152AW, 152AX and 152BG seek to ensure that disputes about airport securi...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 713 c633-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 152AW and 152AZ. I begin by repeating the declaration tha...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c635 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, made reference to security as if it were some curtain to be...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c635 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AX is probing. It seeks to clarify the meaning and practical effect of the powers of th...
Lord Brett | 713 c664 (Link to this contribution)
The question I can answer is to give an assurance that I will write. There is training and a balance...
Baroness Walmsley | 713 c664 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord and beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 152BH withdrawn....
Baroness Walmsley | 713 c663-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. I also thank the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, but I ...
Lord Brett | 713 c661-3 (Link to this contribution)
I thank noble Lords for their contribution to this debate. We can all agree that, where we are seeki...
Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c660 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Part 8 of the Bill is headed "Miscellaneous" and, my goodness, isn’t it just? My noble fri...
Baroness Walmsley | 713 c656-60 (Link to this contribution)
In moving this amendment, I shall speak also to Amendments 152BJ, 152BK, 163 and 164, all of which a...
Baroness Walmsley | 713 c656 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 85: Notification of proposal to include person in barred list
Amendment 152BH
152BH: Clause...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c656 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand what the Minister has just said, he takes the view that the department itself will d...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c655-6 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment seeks to provide a mechanism whereby airport operators, the police and other bodies c...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c654-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment rather reflects some of our earlier discussion. For all the Government’s ex...
Lord Brett | 713 c672-4 (Link to this contribution)
First, I promise that I will write to noble Lords—not, on this occasion, because I am in any doubt a...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c667 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have Amendment 152BM in this group. We are delighted with the news that the Government ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c666 (Link to this contribution)
It seems that the Government have withdrawn their proposals for the retention of DNA samples. It wou...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c669 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister justifies the production of a framework Bill on the ground that speed is needed. It is ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c672 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I just add that it is evident from what has been said so far that we on these Benches supp...
Lord Cope of Berkeley | 713 c671-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, am a member of the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly and a member of the commit...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c664-6 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 96: Retention and destruction of samples etc: England and Wales
Amendment 152BL
152BL: Clau...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c675-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is unfortunate that, in a year in which we have had so many issues about the policing o...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c675 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 153
153: After Clause 108, insert the following new Clause—
"Interpretation of disorder
(...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 713 c675 (Link to this contribution)
That is, unless the Minister decides that he will withdraw this part of the Bill altogether. I beg l...
Lord Brett | 713 c675 (Link to this contribution)
It is difficult to look at the concept of travelling across a land boundary between Northern Ireland...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c679 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 157
157: After Clause 108, insert the following new Clause—
"Stop and search areas
(1) Se...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c678-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Jones, and the Minister for their contributions t...
Lord Brett | 713 c677-8 (Link to this contribution)
I start by expressing sympathy for the contributions of the noble Baronesses both in terms of the in...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c676-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, from the point of view of these Benches, the noble Baroness’s amendments are something of ...
Lord Cope of Berkeley | 713 c674-5 (Link to this contribution)
May I intervene before the noble Baroness completes what she has to say, as we are in Committee? Wil...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 713 c674 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for responding. Some of his responses have made me even...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c591-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is another probing amendment. The powers to seize property under Section 47C are limi...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c592 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152T
152T: Clause 53, page 40, line 2, leave out from "47G" to ", and" in line 3
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c592-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving Amendment 152T, I will also speak to Amendments 152U and 152X. Again, these are ...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c592 (Link to this contribution)
Under the Proceeds of Crime Act, there are currently no provisions allowing the seizure of property ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c592 (Link to this contribution)
No doubt the guidance which the Minister has mentioned will also be published, and, on that basis, I...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c594 (Link to this contribution)
He will be expected, either by phone or something like that, to get an approval from an inspector. H...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c594 (Link to this contribution)
It is hard to believe that in a telephonic age it is not possible to ring up and get agreement from ...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c593-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments would require an officer to obtain appropriate approval in all circumstan...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c594 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may press the Minister a little further on seeking approval from the senior officer. Did t...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c594 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152Y
152Y: Clause 53, page 41, line 34, leave out from first "of" to end of line 35 and i...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c590 (Link to this contribution)
On that basis, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 152N withdrawn.
Amendment 152P had...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c590 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152Q
152Q: Clause 53, page 38, line 34, leave out from "concluded" to ", and" in line 35
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c590 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 152R and 152S. These are probing amendments which address...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c590-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the noble Baroness said, the amendments would remove the proviso, ""or the officer beli...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c591 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister explain why, if the officer believes that an application is to be made, he cannot ...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c591 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, he needs to take action at that time, rather than going back and discovering what is going...
Lord Lyell of Markyate | 713 c591 (Link to this contribution)
If the officer suspects that the assets may be dissipated but has no idea whether a prosecutor is go...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c591 (Link to this contribution)
I shall take note of that and get more detailed advice. I could talk through what I think is the cas...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c591 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152SB
152SB: Clause 53, page 39, line 36, at end insert "provided the defendant’s employm...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c591 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it would be helpful to have clarification on this point because, on the face of it, the ci...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c589 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152N
152N: Clause 53, page 38, line 3, at end insert "and that use of such power is propo...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c589 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment concerns the use of search and seizure powers in circumstances where potenti...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c587-8 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise that the power to lay an order under Section 97 of the Serious Organised Crime and Polic...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c588-9 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply and for his honesty and frankness in giving it. I will study very...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c586 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152E
152E: After Clause 49, insert the following new Clause—
"Confiscation orders by magi...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c587 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I have connections with a number of police forces. They are not professional connec...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c586 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. It would certainly be helpful to have in writing some clarification on that po...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c590 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand it, it will be published, and I will let the noble Baroness have a copy of it.
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c589 (Link to this contribution)
Will that guidance be published?
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c589 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment provides that an officer’s power to seize property under the new Proceeds o...
Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c581 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, has set out her stall in her usual early afternoon extens...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c581-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness and the Committee may be aware that the recent public consultation on t...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c583 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for the fullness of his answer, which contained many useful nuggets. ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c583 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 49: Recovery of expenses etc
Amendment 152A
152A: Clause 49, page 33, leave out line 23
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c578 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152ZA
152ZA: After Clause 48, insert the following new Clause—
"PART 4A
Police bail
Polic...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c579-81 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, last time we were in Committee on this Bill, we were discussing injunctions and the effect...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c584-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments address the new provisions being added to the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c584 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendments in this group are probing and relate to the powers of confiscation, and the...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c586 (Link to this contribution)
The best that I can do is to say that these are people such as prosecutors, officers or members of s...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c586 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that full reply. My interest centres on the nature of the individuals to wh...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c602 (Link to this contribution)
Under the European arrest warrant, British citizens can be extradited for ill defined offences that ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c602 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AKAC
152AKAC: After Clause 65, insert the following new Clause—
"Definition of Europea...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c603 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these are complex issues and the noble and learned Baroness the Attorney-General has writt...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 713 c603 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hear what the noble Baroness says on Amendment 152AKAC, but that was listed together wit...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 713 c603 (Link to this contribution)
I was not quite sure which amendment we were on. However, if we are on what has been called the foru...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c603 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness has not moved Amendment 152AKAA, and I give notice that I may well return to that...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c601 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a very short, probing amendment. The Government have not explained in any of their...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c601 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 62: Detention of seized cash
Amendment 152AKZD
152AKZD: Clause 62, page 75, line 9, leave o...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c602 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for the reply. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 152AKZD withdr...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c601-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, under the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, the police, Revenue and Customs officers and accredi...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c601 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in light of the assurance that the codes contain an explicit process and provision for reg...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c600-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 152 Alpha Kiwi Zulu Bravo—these amendments are getting rather long, aren’t they?...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c600 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a probing amendment. It would replace the existing requirement that sees property ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c599 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AKZB
152AKZB: Clause 53, page 46, leave out lines 22 and 23 and insert—
"( ) An approp...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c599 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 1...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c599 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment relates to the ability of third parties to be heard at an application, varia...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c598-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Bill already provides that a person affected by a detention order can apply for the di...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c598 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AF
152AF: Clause 53, page 44, line 44, at end insert—
"47MA Right of third parties to ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c598 (Link to this contribution)
Given the regime that we have, a so-called appointed person is necessary. On the face of it, that so...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c597-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Home Office makes appointments in line with the Office of the Commissioner for Public ...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c597 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, for the time being, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 152Y withdrawn.
Ame...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c597 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is available. I shall ensure that the noble Baroness receives a copy.
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c597 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a probing amendment. When an appropriate officer exercises powers to seize or sear...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c597 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152ACB
152ACB: Clause 53, page 42, line 22, at end insert—
"( ) The Secretary of State mu...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c596-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble and learned Lord asks a good question. I do not know the precise detail or exact...
Lord Lyell of Markyate | 713 c596 (Link to this contribution)
When the officer decides to seize something and says, "I am taking this", what does he do? Does he w...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c597 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I mentioned in my first intervention that at the time of the discussion in the other place...
Lord West of Spithead | 713 c595-6 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments relate to the new powers of seizure and detention that we are seeking to introduce ...
Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c686 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall not return to the subject of airports, on which there has been some debate. Howeve...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c653 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment probes an issue that was partly alluded to and covered in a previous discus...
Lord Bradshaw | 713 c688 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is right: I am not convinced by it because I believe that this is a peculiar piece of...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 713 c653-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 152AY would remove new Section 24AO(5) and have the rather curious, and I suspec...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 713 c669 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 99: General information powers in relation to persons entering or leaving the UK
Amendment 1...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 713 c696 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his comments. The one part of his comments with which I agreed wa...
Earl of Onslow | 713 c607 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AKC
152AKC: Clause 72, page 90, line 4, after "with" insert "human rights, including"
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 713 c609-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment and do so knowing that I speak for many people who have been horri...
Lord Rosser | 713 c626 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AP
152AP: Clause 77, page 97, line 28, at end insert—
"( ) In relation to security mea...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 713 c605-6 (Link to this contribution)
Has a judge ever considered bars to extradition on an application by a defendant prior to adjourning...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c653 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 152AY
152AY: Clause 77, page 103, leave out lines 3 to 5
Lord Brett | 713 c667-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I sense that sometimes we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. Returning the DNA an...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 713 c669-71 (Link to this contribution)
In the Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill, which was considered earlier this year and which h...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 713 c615-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in order to understand the context of the noble Lord's amendment, we should look at how th...
Lord Brett | 713 c680-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I share noble Lords’ view that these are important issues. The point of agreement between ...
Lord Brett | 713 c682-3 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that in responding to the points made by the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Jones, I shall cove...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c682 (Link to this contribution)
This is a very practical amendment which the Government might consider putting into statute. It conc...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 713 c594-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister may have got on to the issue that I wish to raise now in his previous answer. The amend...
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