Policing and Crime Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 13 October 2009, in the House of Lords.

Policing and Crime Bill. Lords Committee stage fourth day. Clauses 30 to 48 agreed to. Schedule 4 agreed to as amended. Schedule 5 agreed to.

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Parliamentary proceeding

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713 c118-86,198-216

Session

2008-09

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Home Office

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Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

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House of Lords chamber

Policing and Crime Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 48-EN also published
Wednesday, 20 May 2009
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Redesdale | 713 c140 (Link to this contribution) Clause 32: General licensing conditions relating to alcohol Amendment 113 113: Clause 32, leave ou...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c173 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 128 128: Clause 33, page 27, line 26, leave out "for either or both of the following purp...

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Baroness Walmsley | 713 c173 (Link to this contribution) I shall also speak to Amendment 129. We have just been considering the first condition for imposing ...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c174 (Link to this contribution) It seems to me inconceivable in a situation such as the Minister describes that, if the police told ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c174-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness has been kind in intervening with that question because it allows me to...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c174 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, again, the noble Baronesses—perhaps for the purposes of this series of debates I can join ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c174 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have to concede that it is unusual for an injunction to be used in this way. We believe ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c176 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 132 132: Clause 33, page 27, line 30, at beginning insert "Subject to section 34,"

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c176 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. My former pupils occasionally used to say, "Miss, you’...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is extremely difficult for the police to do that. I return to the example that I gave e...

Baroness Stern | 713 c175 (Link to this contribution) This is not an area of which I have enormous knowledge. There are Members present in the Committee w...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c176 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these two amendments would amend Clause 33(4) and Clause 34 to ensure that an injunction m...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness is not alone. Like her, I read the current wording to allow the injunct...

Baroness Stern | 713 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) Bearing in mind the many discussions that we have had in this House about the conditions attached to...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c178 (Link to this contribution) I would not see that as something that would ever be done, because that would be a punitive action; ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 713 c178 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the Minister is looking at this again, I wonder whether the words "a particular place" ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c178 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble and learned Lord raises an interesting point. May I take it away to mull it over...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c179 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 133 133: Clause 33, page 27, line 30, leave out "(for either or both of those purposes)"

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not naive and I know that there are issues here. That was brought home to me recently...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 133, I will also speak to Amendments 134, 136, 137, 139, 140, 142, 142A, 143, 14...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c149 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 116A 116A: Schedule 4, page 154, line 25, at end insert— "(1A) The first order under subs...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c149 (Link to this contribution) Certainly, my Lords, and I am grateful to all those who have joined in this short debate. I do not t...

Lord Avebury | 713 c151 (Link to this contribution) I am particularly glad that my noble friend has raised the question of the price of alcohol and the ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c149-51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am moving this amendment to enable us to have a debate about the effect of pricing on th...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c146-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, has raised some interesting and important questions, an...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c146 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my amendments in this group, Amendments 116 to 123, are probing amendments to clarify just...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c147-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill allows the Secretary of State to introduce such mandatory licensing conditions as...

Lord Avebury | 713 c147 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have one question for the Minister that arises out of something that he said a few minut...

Earl of Mar and Kellie | 713 c152 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I note in passing that the Scottish Government are attempting to introduce the same sort o...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c152 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is worth bearing in mind the following set of statistics. Last week the Agricultural Wa...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c155-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in what was a useful short debate. I certainly tha...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c155 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not aware of that. I will take it away to see whether there is something that can be ...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c155 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord said, quite rightly, that he is worried about cheap beer. I do not know whether this ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c155 (Link to this contribution) I did not know that. I will ask some questions about it. I personally prefer ordinary bitter to part...

Lord Monson | 713 c155 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, is he aware that the reason that the pernicious gut-rot white cider...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c155 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that we need to have all the evidence that price is a factor. Certainly, intuitively, I ...

Lord Avebury | 713 c154 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord confirm that the Government have changed their fundamental policy that was annou...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c153-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for bringing forward the amendment. This is an important area a...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c156 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 119A 119A: Schedule 4, page 154, line 31, after "may" insert "— (a) "

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c152-3 (Link to this contribution) Follow that. I entirely agree with much of what the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, has said. The expl...

Lord Pannick | 713 c137 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that if Amendment 111A is not included, there is a real risk of uncertainty...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c137 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl makes a good point in terms of training. I am very happy to write to him on...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness withdraws her amendment, I will say how pleased I am that the Mi...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c138-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not believe that that is necessary. With the guidance there, the judgment is best mad...

Baroness Stern | 713 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not doubt for one minute the Minister’s sincerity. Nor do I underestimate the scale o...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c140 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 113A 113A: After Clause 32, insert the following new Clause— "Permitted temporary activit...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c141-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 113A and 125L would allow local authority officers or members of the licensing ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c143 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, no one wants to stop the village fête or whatever other charitable activity may come under...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c143 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are certainly listening closely to what the LGA says. I have concerns about this being ...

Lord Avebury | 713 c143 (Link to this contribution) According to the Local Government Association—which, as the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, pointed o...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 713 c145 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord explain a little further why the Government have picked the figure of nine?

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c144-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 115 would prevent the Secretary of State imposing any national mandatory licensi...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c144 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak very briefly indeed to this probing amendment in order to give the Minister ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c144 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 4: General licensing conditions relating to alcohol Amendment 114 not moved. Amendment 11...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c146 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 116 116: Schedule 4, page 154, line 24, leave out "appropriate" and insert "necessary and...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c145 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course I was not intending to press the amendment, not least because I knew that there ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c145 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must say that I do not know why we arrived at nine, but I will certainly get back to the...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c169 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 127 127: Clause 33, page 27, line 22, leave out "on the balance of probabilities" and ins...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c167 (Link to this contribution) The trouble is that there is a real possibility that the provisions could be used as an easy way out...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 713 c167-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the questions put by my noble and learned friend Lord Lyell. The question of ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c168 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lyell of Markyate, raised some important points. This is ...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c168-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened with particular interest to what my noble and learned friend Lord Lyell has jus...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c165 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the JCHR for raising these issues in such a strong way, and to the n...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c164-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have put my name to this amendment, which arises out of the deliberations of the Joint C...

Lord Lyell of Markyate | 713 c167 (Link to this contribution) I quite see what the Government are trying to do here, but they must realise that it is not very eas...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c165-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 126, 130 and 131 seek to add to the conditions which must be met before a court...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) I am in a bit of a dilemma. The more the Minister talks, the more uneasy I become. He has expanded o...

Baroness Stern | 713 c172 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to the Minister about people being prevented from going to a particular str...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c172 (Link to this contribution) In the hypothetical case that I gave, I think that you would not allow the person in the street at a...

Earl of Erroll | 713 c172 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that it is always a civil offence. Will it show up on a CRB check done on the pers...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c172 (Link to this contribution) I know that it is not a criminal offence. I would not have thought that it would appear on it but I ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c171-2 (Link to this contribution) For reasons that I shall explain again when we come to the debate on Clause 33, I do not agree with ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c171 (Link to this contribution) There is no doubt that the Minister needs to give the Committee a great deal more information about ...

Earl of Erroll | 713 c170-1 (Link to this contribution) I have listened to the debate with interest. I have always been very worried about administratively ...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c170 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness mentioned a list of people who support this proposal. It was also one of the issu...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c157-8 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, is absolutely right about the complexity of these amendments. As ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c158 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 119B 119B: Schedule 4, page 154, line 32, at end insert— "(b) specify conditions which in...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c158 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 120A 120A: Schedule 4, page 155, line 2, at end insert— "(4A) Any conditions included, or...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c158 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 123A 123A: Schedule 4, page 155, line 28, at end insert— "( ) In considering whether to m...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c158-9 (Link to this contribution) The point of this amendment is to give licensing authorities the duty to take steps to ensure that, ...

Lord Monson | 713 c159 (Link to this contribution) If this amendment had been moved 10 years ago I would have been hesitant about supporting it. Then, ...

Lord Lyell of Markyate | 713 c159-60 (Link to this contribution) I also support this amendment. Certainly, I invite the Minister to carry out further research. I fir...

Earl of Erroll | 713 c160 (Link to this contribution) I will be very brief. The one thing that worries me about this is that it may not make much differen...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c157 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments is very wide ranging and covers several important points, which I...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c156-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government have brought forward Amendments 119A, 119B, 125C and 125D, which are necess...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hoped that what I had said previously had explained why I do not believe now is the time...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c162 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful for the comments from noble Lords and noble and learned Lords. The dist...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c164 (Link to this contribution) Clause 33: Injunctions to prevent gang-related violence Amendment 126 126: Clause 33, page 27, lin...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c163 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 125A and 125B 125A: Schedule 4, page 156, line 1, leave out from "reviewing" to end of l...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c163-4 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 125C to 125K 125C: Schedule 4, page 157, line 1, after "may" insert "— (a) " 125D: Sch...

Lord Mawhinney | 713 c161 (Link to this contribution) Whatever views this House may have on the damage that people do to themselves through drinking, I sh...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a very useful issue to have talked about. I assure noble Lords that I understand t...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 713 c160 (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment to the extent that I believe it is right that further research should be ca...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with that.

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c186 (Link to this contribution) How interesting, especially toward the end, where the speed of the interventions suggests that wiser...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c198-9 (Link to this contribution) Debate on whether Clause 33 should stand part of the Bill. My Lords, before the dinner break we ra...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c199-202 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I am sure noble Lords will appreciate, these provisions form part of a package, so I sh...

Bishop of Chester | 713 c185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, while the Minister is talking about definitions, can he confirm that the term violence mea...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thought that I was following the Minister’s argument quite well, and then he suddenly sa...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that is necessarily an easy thing to prove. When someone has been shot in a ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c185 (Link to this contribution) It is already in the Bill’s definition. That is what worries me.

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c183 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has again drawn me to my feet. I entirely agree that the exact definition of a ga...

Baroness Stern | 713 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) I rise very much to support the amendment and—since the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, is unable to be wit...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c182-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the three amendments in this group are variations on a theme, which is to amend the defini...

Baroness Hayman | 713 c183 (Link to this contribution) I must inform the Committee that if Amendment 135 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 135A and 13...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c184-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments would, in their separate and equally problematic ways, require the applic...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c180-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 134 and the other amendments in this grouping would remove the ability of the co...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c181-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. If the measures under Clause 34(3) are as he described, they all...

Baroness Stern | 713 c181 (Link to this contribution) The Minister talked about the possible length of conditions and suggested that a curfew might be for...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c181 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness asks a good question, because I thought that 12 weeks was the limit. Perhaps I ma...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c206 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 140A and 141A would place a time limit on the period for an injunction, as has ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c206 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for jumping the gun in my questions on clause stand part whic...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c206 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply. It is heartening to hear that he is list...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c202 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that I am going to ask the Minister to be a little longer still. As I understa...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c203 (Link to this contribution) On the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, we will get on to timing in Amendments 141 a...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 713 c202-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to mention some small points that may need to be looked at. First, the local author...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c204 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had hoped I had explained that. I do not think that the courts and the police believe th...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has mentioned Birmingham time and again as an example but, of course, the court in the ...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c204 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 140A 140A: Clause 35, page 28, line 34, leave out from "injunction," to end of line 36 an...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c210 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 148 148: Before Clause 46, insert the following new Clause— "Annual review of injunctions...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c210 (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords, I will withdraw this amendment. However, if a case goes to the Court of Appeal, that ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 145, 150 and 151 collectively seek to remove the power of local authorities to ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c207 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness has a point, although I am not sure that I can support her entirely. Al...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c207 (Link to this contribution) The purpose of Amendments 145, 150 and 151 is to ask the Government why they think it appropriate to...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c207 (Link to this contribution) Clause 36: Applications for injunctions under section 33 Amendment 145 145: Clause 36, page 29, le...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the opportunity to clarify what will happen should an individual become subject ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c208 (Link to this contribution) I can accept some of what the Minister has said and I understand the reservations of the noble Lord,...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c214 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I expect that I am making a big mistake in not allowing my noble friend Lady Walmsley to m...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c213 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 149 seeks to require the Secretary of State to consult the Lord Chief Justice an...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c213 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is quite clear at least to this Member of the Committee that the Minister has had a ver...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c214 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 152 152: Clause 48, page 33, line 6, leave out "includes violence against property" and i...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c213 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is my new best friend. I thank him for his words and look forward to seeing t...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c211 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with great pleasure I shall withdraw the amendment. Amendment 148 withdrawn.

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c211 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 148 seeks to insert a new clause into Part 4 which, if accepted, would require the courts ...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment was proposed originally by the JCHR and it requires consultation on the gui...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) Clause 46: Guidance Amendment 149 149: Clause 46, page 32, line 14, at end insert— "( ) Before pub...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 148 seeks to put into the Bill an annual renewal of the injunction. It is simila...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c216 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that in moving my amendment I covered the case where somebody shot a firearm at pro...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c214 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that I cannot be quite as positive on this amendment from the Liberal Benches....

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c214-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 152 seeks to remove the ability of the courts to consider evidence of violence p...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c118 (Link to this contribution) Clause 30: Offence of persistently possessing alcohol in a public place Amendment 107 107: Clause ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c124-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not believe that the person becomes a criminal. As I say, I am very conscious of not ...

Lord Avebury | 713 c124 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, the first time that any action is taken against the young person is on the third...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c127 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am content that what we have here covers that, but rather than answering straight away w...

Lord Pannick | 713 c127 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the noble Lord about one matter. He said on a number of occasions that the object ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c118-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I can make myself heard, I will introduce myself by saying that although there is a new...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c120-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 109A and the Question whether the clause shall stand part of th...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c122-3 (Link to this contribution) Clause 30 introduces a new offence of persistently possessing alcohol in a public place for under-18...

Lord Avebury | 713 c123 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister leaves that point, if, as he says, the offence is very much a last resort, why i...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c123 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel that on the first occasion they do not have to have one. I do not quite understand ...

Baroness Stern | 713 c130 (Link to this contribution) Clause 31: Directions to individuals who represent a risk of disorder Amendment 110A 110A: Clause ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c129-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad the Minister has just said what he has said because my reaction to leaving out t...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c129 (Link to this contribution) The aim, if it can be achieved, is to have an acceptable behaviour contract before going on to anyth...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c129 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, winds up, I should like to respond to the comments made by...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c128 (Link to this contribution) I said that I do not want to criminalise people, but if they commit a criminal act, the police are t...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c128 (Link to this contribution) I want to question the Minister on a point of detail in what he said, but before I do so perhaps I m...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c128 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not quite know how to respond to the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, on that. We absolutely ...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c128 (Link to this contribution) Those children, and for the sake of this argument they are children, were obviously committing an of...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c127-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is something rather delicious about this. The noble Lord reminds me irresistibly on ...

Earl of Listowel | 713 c137 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as regards the training of police officers, we are talking about very young people. Of cou...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c136 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I could finish; I am trying to follow through in a logical sequence and may come t...

Earl of Listowel | 713 c134 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I express my concern about the Government’s proposal to lower the age to 10? I admire ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c135 (Link to this contribution) As the Government set out in the Youth Alcohol Action Plan, we want the police to be able to deal wi...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c136 (Link to this contribution) In that case, why not say so?

Earl of Onslow | 713 c136 (Link to this contribution) Exactly. What the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, is saying seems to me a sensible, grown-up way of a...

Baroness Stern | 713 c130-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the other amendments in this group as well as the opposition to clause stand par...

Earl of Onslow | 713 c131 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened, as always, with immense care to what the noble Baroness, Lady Stern, said. She...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c131-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have some amendments in this group—namely, Amendment 11 and Clause 31 stand part—so perh...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c132-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two amendments in this group, Amendments 111A and 112. Clause 31 proposes an amendm...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c162-3 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 124A and 124B 124A: Schedule 4, page 155, line 44, at end insert— "(ba) a hearing before...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c177 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords will be aware that Clause 33(4) sets out that a court may prohibit a respondent from doi...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c140 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak in the absence of my noble friend Lord Redesdale. However, I do not have a...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c141 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not work on my own, rather like the Minister. Amendments 113A and 125L were suggested...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c162 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 123B 123B: Schedule 4, page 155, line 37, at end insert— "(2A) Conditions treated as ment...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the right reverend Prelate raises a question that makes me have to think, but I am sure th...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 713 c185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to intervene, but a threat of violence may be a manifestation of intention. It ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c182 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 135 135: Clause 33, page 27, line 34, leave out subsection (5) and insert— "( ) In this s...

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c204-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 141 and 141A on timing. The effect of these amendments is...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c209 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister and, indeed, the noble Baronesses must be surprised to see this amendment bec...

Lord Skelmersdale | 713 c209 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 147B 147B: After Clause 43, insert the following new Clause— "Breach of injunction A pers...

Baroness Hayman | 713 c120 (Link to this contribution) I have to inform the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 108 to ...

Lord West of Spithead | 713 c128-9 (Link to this contribution) I should like first to share in the welcome given by the noble Baroness to the noble Lord, Lord Skel...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 713 c169 (Link to this contribution) This amendment relates to what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lyell of Markyate, was talking about...

Lord Lyell of Markyate | 713 c170 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment, at least for very careful consideration. The noble Baroness reminded me of ...

Subjects

Children

Codes of practice

Crime prevention

Appeals

Crime

Alcoholic drinks

Crimes of violence

Anti-social behaviour

Bottles

Licensing

Harassment

Licensed premises

Injunctions

Glass

Local government

Police

Powers

Public places

Packaging

Prices

Plastics

Sales

Young people

Anti-social behaviour orders

Legislation

Policing and Crime Bill 2008-09

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