Policing and Crime Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 6 July 2009, in the House of Lords.

Policing and Crime Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Clauses 18 to 29 agreed to, with clause 26 agreed to as amended. New clauses (Amendments 71 and 82A) debated and withdrawn. Schedules 2 and 3 agreed to.

Type

Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

712 c451-6, 476-519, 535-58

Session

2008-09

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Policing and Crime Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 48-EN also published
Wednesday, 20 May 2009
Bills
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Deposited Paper DEP2009-2100
Monday, 20 July 2009
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Stern | 712 c484-5 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that there is a considerable difference between those who have been traffic...

Lord Brett | 712 c485 (Link to this contribution) I know what the noble Baroness is saying but I will avoid a temptation that will lead me into an arg...

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Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c484 (Link to this contribution) I invite the Minister to say why the Government would like to give that power to a wider range of pe...

Lord Brett | 712 c484 (Link to this contribution) I accept that invitation. As I have said, the power in proposed new Section 136Q gives the Secretary...

Lord Brett | 712 c482-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Miller of Chilthorne Domer, for trying to expedite our procedures. ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 712 c482 (Link to this contribution) I shall not add much to what has been said because my noble friend Lady Stern and the noble Baroness...

Baroness Stern | 712 c481 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments. The problem with these clauses brings us once again to the realities of wo...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c481 (Link to this contribution) Again, we have sympathy with these amendments. They would add an important requirement to ensure tha...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c480-1 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 73, 75, 78 and 80 concern what happens when a closure order is issued against premises. A...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c480 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 2: Closure orders Amendment 73 73: Schedule 2, page 142, line 23, at end insert ", and (c...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c479-80 (Link to this contribution) I am certainly tempted to test the opinion of the House sooner, given the amount of informed support...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c478 (Link to this contribution) We support the amendments. I hope the Minister will be able to reassure us that nothing in this Bill...

Lord Brett | 712 c478-9 (Link to this contribution) I resist these amendments and hope to persuade noble Lords why Amendment 71 will not achieve its aim...

Lord Monson | 712 c479 (Link to this contribution) Having listened to both sides of the debate, I concede that there is some weakness in Amendment 71 f...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 712 c479 (Link to this contribution) I was a little late for the start of this debate and had not realised that it would end as quickly a...

Lord Brett | 712 c455-6 (Link to this contribution) I am unaware of the cases that the noble Baroness cites. I am more than happy to look at them, but I...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c477-8 (Link to this contribution) With Amendment 71, we are looking at the issue of the decriminalisation of associated workers in bro...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c476-7 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 71 71: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause— "Decriminalisation of associated...

Lord Brett | 712 c455 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness seems to be going to great lengths to protect the person who under previous laws ...

Lord Brett | 712 c454 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness presumes that a constable would decide of their own volition that this was not an...

Lord Pannick | 712 c454-5 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that it is overwhelmingly probable that no prosecution will be brought in ...

Lord Brett | 712 c454 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for that question. The answer is that it would be for the police to seek ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 712 c454 (Link to this contribution) Is it right that someone stopping to ask a very innocent question should go in front of our courts a...

Lord Brett | 712 c455 (Link to this contribution) It is with great trepidation that I question the noble Lord, whose knowledge of the law is infinitel...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c455 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that this will inevitably push women to places where there are fewer CCTV c...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 712 c454 (Link to this contribution) There was a very high-profile case in Manchester a few years ago of someone stopping to ask the way ...

Lord Brett | 712 c453-4 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the contributions from noble Lords to this debate on whether Clause 18 shall stand part...

Lord Pannick | 712 c452 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the proposal of the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, and the observations that she made ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c451-2 (Link to this contribution) Clause 18: Soliciting: England and Wales Debate on whether Clause 18 should stand part of the Bill....

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c452 (Link to this contribution) We support the noble Baroness, Lady Miller. We agree that the effect of the Bill is very likely to b...

Lord Brett | 712 c487 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 74 and 79 relate to the issuing of a closure notice by a constable or a closure order by ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c487 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has tabled important amendments with which we once again have considerable sympat...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c487 (Link to this contribution) I will read the Minister’s reply and before Report ask my noble and learned friends’ advice about wh...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 712 c485 (Link to this contribution) I would be most grateful if the noble Lord could give a little more help. I heard what he said in re...

Lord Brett | 712 c485 (Link to this contribution) I do not have the information in my brief, but I will certainly try to find it and reply to the nobl...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c485 (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have spoken, particularly the noble Viscount, Lord Bridgeman. The Govern...

Lord Brett | 712 c485-6 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not have the figures. I was seeking confirmation that the 167 persons mentioned in respect ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c486 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. I do not have the figures for the division; it was not a trick question. Perha...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c486 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 74 74: Schedule 2, page 142, leave out lines 24 to 27

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c486 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 74 and 79 are probing amendments to find out what this schedule is intended to achieve. T...

Baroness Walmsley | 712 c558 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response, but I point out that the many millions of pounds-worth of pro...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c557-8 (Link to this contribution) I take that point. It is a good point and we need to look at that. We would expect the bulk of the p...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c537 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 100 100: Clause 26, page 25, line 26, at end insert— "( ) Paragraph 27(3) is repealed."

Baroness Hanham | 712 c537-8 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I might make the contribution that I would have if this had been more formally spoken to, be...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c537 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 100 and 101 have come as a slight surprise to me. I shall have to move Amendment 100 and ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c538 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply, and I particularly thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, for sp...

Lord Brett | 712 c538 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 100 and 101 deal with the rights of applicants to appeal to a magistrates’ court against ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c539-40 (Link to this contribution) Clause 27 : Increase in penalty for offence Debate on whether Clause 27 should stand part of the Bi...

Lord Brett | 712 c539 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 102 102: Clause 26, page 25, line 30, at end insert— "( ) After paragraph 27 (appeals) in...

Baroness Stern | 712 c540-1 (Link to this contribution) I support what has been said about this clause. The Minister will know very well that the binge-drin...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c540 (Link to this contribution) We agree with the sentiments here, in that the idea of simply raising the level of fine to a really ...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c541 (Link to this contribution) In his reply, perhaps the Minister will give us an idea of what lies behind this. As I understand it...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c543 (Link to this contribution) I knew that the Minister would raise something I would want to come back on. He gave some indication...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c541-3 (Link to this contribution) As we move from sex to alcohol, I am reminded of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, who wished to declare a...

Lord Redesdale | 712 c544-5 (Link to this contribution) I support this Motion and perhaps I should declare an interest. I apologise for not being able to sp...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c543 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness raises a good point. I do not know the answer, and I will come back to her. That ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c547 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that full explanation. I am also grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Redesdale, who i...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c546 (Link to this contribution) I do not have the figure at my fingertips. Unless the Box can provide it shortly I shall write to th...

Lord Redesdale | 712 c545 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister have a breakdown of the figures between the on-licence trade and the off-licence t...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c545 (Link to this contribution) The Government are clear that selling alcohol to young people is unacceptable, which is the view in ...

Baroness Stern | 712 c548 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. The Minister has said on two previous clauses that the purpose is to send m...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c550 (Link to this contribution) I do not have that information at my fingertips. I am very happy to write with details to those who ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c550 (Link to this contribution) There is a bit more information that would be very useful to have. I do not think that the Minister ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c547 (Link to this contribution) Clause 29: Confiscating alcohol from young persons Amendment 104 104: Clause 29, page 26, line 4, ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c547-8 (Link to this contribution) We support the amendment. It seems unreasonable that there is no such provision in the Bill. You can...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c547 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 106 in this group is designed to address a deep concern on these Benches about the Governm...

Baroness Walmsley | 712 c550 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 105 105: Clause 29, page 26, leave out lines 9 to 12

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c550 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Baronesses, Lady Stern and Lady Miller, for their constructive suppo...

Baroness Walmsley | 712 c550-1 (Link to this contribution) We have now agreed that I will move Amendment 105. The effect of this amendment is to leave out the ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c556 (Link to this contribution) While the Minister is on that subject, would he answer the point made by my noble friend Lady Walmsl...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c554-6 (Link to this contribution) Clause 29 does three things, and I shall take them in sequence. Removing the requirement to prove th...

Baroness Walmsley | 712 c553-4 (Link to this contribution) Debate on whether Clause 29 should stand part of the Bill. As we have just heard, Clause 29 amends...

Baroness Walmsley | 712 c553 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. I really think that we are asking too ...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c552-3 (Link to this contribution) The place of safety is not defined in the Bill. Guidance under the Children and Young Persons Act st...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c552 (Link to this contribution) In relation to taking a person to a place of safety, what happens in a place of safety? That may be ...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c552 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 105 would remove from the Bill the police discretionary power to take persons under 16 who...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c551 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, is right to probe this power and to ask what its purpose is. Ther...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c556-7 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentioned the Children Act. I declare an interest as a family court magistrate. Under t...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c556 (Link to this contribution) I have not focused on that particular point. Personally, I rather like the fact of driving down leve...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c506-7 (Link to this contribution) This is one of the interesting questions that we come back to. I have understood that, in a lot of t...

Lord Brett | 712 c507 (Link to this contribution) As has been said, Amendment 86B would remove the words "ignoring financial gain". The purpose of inc...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c507 (Link to this contribution) I can assure the Minister that it was, indeed, a probing amendment. I am grateful for his reply and ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c507 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 86C 86C: Clause 26, page 22, leave out line 39

Lord Brett | 712 c505-6 (Link to this contribution) I think that the distinction is not the one made by the noble Viscount—between a fully-clothed dance...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c506 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, has indicated, this House has to be very careful when it venture...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c506 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 86B 86B: Clause 26, page 22, line 36, leave out ", ignoring financial gain,"

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c506 (Link to this contribution) Once again, we return to the question of financial gain. I am uncertain how this disclaimer in parag...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c505 (Link to this contribution) There was quite an interesting example recently of the possible difficulty of definition in a show w...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c504 (Link to this contribution) This is one of a small number of quick groups to probe the definition of "relevant entertainment", w...

Lord Brett | 712 c509-10 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I can construct from the proposed legislation any circumstance which could be des...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c509 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 88 88: Clause 26, page 22, line 42, at end insert— "( ) premises licensed under Part 3, a...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c509 (Link to this contribution) I tabled Amendment 88 to highlight the concern among highly regulated venues, which are currently op...

Lord Brett | 712 c508 (Link to this contribution) The answer I have is that not all lap-dancing clubs have conditions in their licence. At present, th...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c508-9 (Link to this contribution) The Committee will be grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, for probing the issue of touching...

Lord Brett | 712 c508 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness may be correct. Touching a member of the audience could mean touching a member of...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c508 (Link to this contribution) I should like to hear what the Minister will further define because I think that he has just receive...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c508 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may check something that the Minister has said. I understood that any form of touching was...

Lord Brett | 712 c508 (Link to this contribution) In moving the amendment the noble Viscount referred to people standing still fully clothed. I though...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c507 (Link to this contribution) I come to the last of my three probing amendments on the definition of "relevant entertainment". Ame...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c494 (Link to this contribution) Can I go back a bit and thank the Minister for pointing me to proposed new Section 136B(7)(b)? I am ...

Baroness Stern | 712 c495 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all those who have spoken and to the Minister for his reply. I have to admit that I...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c495 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 82 82: Schedule 2, page 151, leave out lines 13 to 20

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c495 (Link to this contribution) The Minister was quite right that we have spoken to this amendment, and he replied, so I will not go...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c495-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 82A 82A: After Clause 25, insert the following new Clause— "Amendment of Licensing Act 20...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c496-8 (Link to this contribution) With some relief we move on to a slightly different aspect. Before we start on Clause 26, I would li...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c498 (Link to this contribution) The amendment proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, offers a far more appropriate solution to...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 712 c498 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. It draws attention to this whole area. We must not forget that lap dancing ...

Lord Brett | 712 c498-500 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her clear exposition of what she seeks to achieve in the amendment. S...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c500-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I am not entirely surprised by his rejection of the amendment, b...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c502 (Link to this contribution) We have a number of amendments grouped with the amendment so ably moved by the noble Viscount, Lord ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c501 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 83 is a probing amendment on the name that the Government have decided to impose on lap-da...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 712 c501 (Link to this contribution) I should tell the Committee that in the event that this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendm...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c504 (Link to this contribution) I am not entirely happy with the Minister’s reply. The Lap Dancing Association is very concerned abo...

Lord Brett | 712 c502-3 (Link to this contribution) Alas, alas. Noble Lords have made a number of interesting points. The noble Baroness, Lady Miller, s...

Earl Ferrers | 712 c503-4 (Link to this contribution) I listened to the arguments made by Members on both sides of the Committee with great interest, and ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c504 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 86A 86A: Clause 26, page 22, line 34, leave out "or" and insert "and"

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c501 (Link to this contribution) Clause 26: Regulation of lap dancing and other sex encounter venues etc Amendment 83 83: Clause 26...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c492 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that explanation. I would be fascinated to know where in the legislation th...

Lord Brett | 712 c492 (Link to this contribution) For the record, I shall repeat what I said. It is necessary for the police, before they can issue a ...

Lord Brett | 712 c492 (Link to this contribution) I will try to resolve this. If the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, looks at proposed new Section 136B(7...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c492 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, has put her finger on the point. I, too, am confused. The Minister ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c491 (Link to this contribution) I shall read carefully what the Minister said. I understand that he is disputing the fact that my am...

Lord Brett | 712 c491 (Link to this contribution) One of the conditions that will have to be met before the police can issue a closure notice is that ...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c491-2 (Link to this contribution) The trouble with a debate like this is that it raises questions as you go along. I want to check whe...

Lord Brett | 712 c491 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness withdraws her amendment, I will respond to a point that I missed. The nobl...

Lord Monson | 712 c491 (Link to this contribution) Once again, the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, has tabled a commonsensical pair of amendments, which I...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c490-1 (Link to this contribution) This goes on a little further from my previous probing question. I hope that the Minister can reassu...

Lord Brett | 712 c494 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is building a hypothesis. The police will be raiding premises such as this only e...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c494 (Link to this contribution) Can I ask the Minister a question before the noble Baroness comes to reply to his assessment of the ...

Lord Brett | 712 c493-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope to satisfy the noble Baroness in respect of her probing amendment. Its effect would be that a...

Baroness Stern | 712 c493 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will be glad to hear that this modest probing amendment will give him the opportunity t...

Baroness Stern | 712 c493 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 81A 81A: Schedule 2, page 144, line 24, at end insert— "( ) If a child under 18 is reside...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c493 (Link to this contribution) The confusion deepens, because I did not speak to Amendment 82—I will do that when we get to it. I m...

Lord Brett | 712 c492 (Link to this contribution) I pointed out, when the noble Baroness moved Amendment 73, that she had also sensibly grouped with h...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c492 (Link to this contribution) For a reason that I cannot identify, I have already spoken to this amendment, and the Minister repli...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c492 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 78 78: Schedule 2, page 144, line 17, at end insert ", and that no other measures will pr...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c492 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the Minister pointed that out. We will look at it at leisure and mull it over well du...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c490 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 77 77: Schedule 2, page 143, line 43, leave out "two" and insert "three"

Baroness Hanham | 712 c490 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful to the Minister if he did that to help us decide what we do at the next stage. F...

Lord Brett | 712 c490 (Link to this contribution) The answer in terms of how these orders are implemented in practice will lie in guidance to be issue...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c489-90 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may press the Minister further, because I hope that I asked—I meant to, if I did not—what ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c490 (Link to this contribution) This amendment seeks to ensure that all three of the conditions, instead of just two—which is all th...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c487 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 76 76: Schedule 2, page 142, line 39, leave out "regularly"

Lord Brett | 712 c489 (Link to this contribution) I will seek to explain successfully what we are seeking to achieve and I hope that if I fail I will ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 712 c489 (Link to this contribution) I also support the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, who has asked some very reasonable questions and has...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c488 (Link to this contribution) I just wish to put on record our support for the noble Baroness’s powerful points which she has made...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c488 (Link to this contribution) In moving this amendment I, too, want to make it clear that we would be very concerned if the police...

Lord Brett | 712 c517-8 (Link to this contribution) Under the proposed new regime, local authorities can refuse to grant a licence to a lap-dancing club...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c518 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that this would be absolutely fine if we were working from a clean sheet of ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c516-7 (Link to this contribution) I want to probe exactly what is meant by "locality", particularly when an urban area has a boundary ...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c517 (Link to this contribution) My Amendment 94 is grouped with this. I want to probe the transition from the current regime to one ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c516 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 93 93: Clause 26, page 24, line 36, at end insert— "( ) In paragraph 12(5)(a) after "loca...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c519 (Link to this contribution) I do not want there to be any misunderstanding. I fully understand the need to keep local people inv...

Lord Brett | 712 c519 (Link to this contribution) I have already answered the noble Baroness’s question: I do not know; it will depend on the degree o...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c519 (Link to this contribution) The trouble is that that consultation, coming, as it does, so late and with us having to look at the...

Lord Brett | 712 c518-9 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness raises an important point and she makes it well, but I have already explained tha...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c510 (Link to this contribution) I am concerned about retrospectivity, which is what this is likely to be in terms of the number of v...

Lord Brett | 712 c510-1 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness makes a valid point. This is why we want to consult the industry to find out the ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c510 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. This was a probing amendment, but can we expect to see before Report,...

Lord Brett | 712 c510 (Link to this contribution) I do not have the absolute answer to that and I will seek it for the noble Viscount. I suspect that ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c511-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Miller, makes some good points in this amendment. We agree with many of her...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c511 (Link to this contribution) This probing amendment enables us to discuss whether there should be exemptions for clubs that provi...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c511 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 89 89: Clause 26, page 22, line 43, leave out from beginning to end of line 14 on page 23...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c511 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Hanham and I are grateful for these explanations. Obviously we want to be kept ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c512-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. As somebody who hardly ever goes north of the line across from t...

Lord Brett | 712 c512 (Link to this contribution) The noble Viscount is correct in his analysis of why this exemption is in the Bill and why it has th...

Lord Brett | 712 c513 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 90 90: Clause 26, page 24, line 30, at end insert— "( ) In paragraph 9(1) (duration of li...

Lord Brett | 712 c513 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 90 and Amendment 102 in the name of my noble friend Lord West are minor, technical amendme...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c513-4 (Link to this contribution) These government amendments are welcome because they improve the clarity and drafting of the Bill an...

Lord Brett | 712 c514 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Viscount for his remarks. Amendment 90 agreed.

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c514 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 91 91: Clause 26, page 24, line 30, at end insert— "( ) In paragraph 9(1) after "any lice...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c514 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has raised what is probably one of the most burdensome aspects of these regulatio...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c514 (Link to this contribution) These two probing amendments have been tabled with the intention of discovering how the Government c...

Baroness Hanham | 712 c515 (Link to this contribution) When will we have sight of the reasons why a local authority can object to or refuse a licence? I am...

Lord Brett | 712 c515 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness indicated, the concerns of the lap-dancing industry have been made clear to th...

Lord Brett | 712 c515-6 (Link to this contribution) The objections that have successfully been made but had to be denied in the light of the Licensing A...

Lord Brett | 712 c519 (Link to this contribution) With respect, that is a matter for the local authority, which will determine the quota. It is a circ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c519 (Link to this contribution) With that reassurance and the thought that the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, and I may get together a...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c535 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 97 97: Clause 26, page 24, line 44, at end insert— "(d) in sub-paragraph (4) the words "s...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c535 (Link to this contribution) The point of the amendment is to ensure that all licensing conditions are clearly presented for ever...

Lord Brett | 712 c535 (Link to this contribution) The objective of Amendment 97, which would amend paragraph 13(4) of Schedule 3 to the 1982 Act, seem...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) That is very kind of the Minister; I will go away to seek evidence, which will probably be quite har...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c536 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 98 98: Clause 26, page 24, line 45, after "applications)" insert— "(a)"

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c536 (Link to this contribution) We believe that it would be inappropriate for local authorities to use a new licensing regime as a r...

Lord Brett | 712 c536-7 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to agree with the noble Baroness, as the Government also take the view that the appli...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c537 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that helpful reply and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 98 w...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c543 (Link to this contribution) On behalf of my noble friend Lady Hanham and myself I thank the Minister for that reply. I may not h...

Lord West of Spithead | 712 c548-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 104 seeks to amend the Bill so that people under 18 would not have their alcohol confiscat...

Baroness Stern | 712 c452-3 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, and thank her for the amount of information that sh...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c455 (Link to this contribution) The Minister did not comment at all on the evidence from Scotland that I raised. I am sure that he h...

Viscount Bridgeman | 712 c543-4 (Link to this contribution) Clause 28 : Selling alcohol to children Debate on whether Clause 28 should stand part of the Bill. ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 712 c502 (Link to this contribution) Having listened to what has been said, I support these amendments. While I accept that it would caus...

Lord Brett | 712 c504 (Link to this contribution) As people know from when I dealt with the nationality Bill, I am never oversold on particular names ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c516 (Link to this contribution) The trouble is that the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, is absolutely right that this onerous renewal—t...

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