Policing and Crime Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 22 June 2009, in the House of Lords.

Policing and Crime Bill. Lords Committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 12 agreed to, with clause 8 agreed to as amended.

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Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

711 c1351-421,1433-50

Session

2008-09

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Policing and Crime Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 48-EN also published
Wednesday, 20 May 2009
Bills
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Deposited Paper DEP2009-1831
Thursday, 25 June 2009
Deposited papers
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1363-4 (Link to this contribution) I sense a germ of hope, finally, in what the Minister has said. For years I have been bashing on abo...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c1364-5 (Link to this contribution) This amendment would bring the Association of Chief Police Officers within the provision of the Free...

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Baroness Hanham | 711 c1361 (Link to this contribution) Before this discussion finishes, what other examination will be done on this? It might only be my ow...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1362 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 4 4: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at end insert— "( ) The following amendments to the Local...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1363 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness mentioned that the financial functions of police authorities and duties arose fro...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1351 (Link to this contribution) Clause 1: Duty of police authorities in relation to public accountability Amendment 1 1: Clause 1,...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1351-2 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest at the start as a former chair of the North Yorkshire Police Authority and as ...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1360-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. In doing so, I declare an interest as the president and a past chair of the...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1359-60 (Link to this contribution) This is a probing amendment. If the Committee were to accept the argument that I propose, a number o...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1359 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 3 3: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at end insert— "( ) In section 4(6) of the Local Governme...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1359 (Link to this contribution) First, I thank those noble Lords who have supported my amendment, in particular the noble Baroness, ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1359 (Link to this contribution) We do not want to be too prescriptive. As I have said, it is rather like mission command, where you ...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1358-9 (Link to this contribution) Before we conclude this debate, if we are going to, I want to go back to both the legislation and wh...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1357-8 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest in that I am heavily involved with the Army, Air Force and Navy Cadet Forces a...

Baroness Walmsley | 711 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution) I have to intervene to support my noble friend Lady Harris of Richmond. I find myself very much in d...

Lord Geddes | 711 c1382 (Link to this contribution) The Question is that Clause 13 stand part of the Bill.

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1382 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 12 withdrawn.

Lord Geddes | 711 c1382 (Link to this contribution) I beg your Lordships’ pardon. I cannot read my own writing.

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1381 (Link to this contribution) The aim is that this should absolutely not be a disciplinary matter, because there are rules to go t...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1381 (Link to this contribution) I am surprised that this does not exist already. In employment law, I would have thought that there ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1382 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness raises some good points. I shall get back to her in some detail on them.

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1381-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister but am still quizzical. I shall probably return to the subject because...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1380-1 (Link to this contribution) In one word, flexibility is the cry. A key theme of the policing Green Paper is greater local accoun...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1382 (Link to this contribution) Debate on whether Clause 3 should stand part of the Bill. That almost gave me a heart attack. I w...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1379-80 (Link to this contribution) This is a probing amendment to try to find out what payments the Government envisage paying to senio...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1379 (Link to this contribution) Clause 3: Regulations about senior officers Amendment 12 12: Clause 3, page 4, leave out lines 6 a...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1379 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend. I think there was an error in the way that this was formulated, for which I...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1379 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that this was an unintended aspect of Amendment 11, but it would remove the senior appoint...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1379 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move the amendment, and I wish to say nothing further in support of it.

Lord Geddes | 711 c1379 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness must move the amendment to give others a chance to speak to it.

Baroness Henig | 711 c1379 (Link to this contribution) I should explain that I wanted to take this amendment with Amendment 5A because it goes with that am...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1379 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 11 11: Clause 2, page 3, line 35, leave out subsections (3) and (4)

Lord Harris of Haringey | 711 c1380 (Link to this contribution) I had assumed that this part of the Bill related to pay-offs for senior officers who were asked to g...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1380 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Harris, makes an interesting point. I, too, would be interested to hear what th...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c1364 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 5 5: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— "Freedom of information: ACPO The S...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1361 (Link to this contribution) On this amendment, the noble Baronesses have both raised an interesting and important point. I have ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1361-2 (Link to this contribution) As I said, this is just an historical anomaly, and the noble Baroness is absolutely right that we ne...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1362 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for giving me a hint of help in the future. I know that the chief...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1362-3 (Link to this contribution) Leaping up and down quickly, I shall speak to the amendment, which I mentioned at Second Reading. It...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c1369 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, who has put her finger so accurately on the p...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1369 (Link to this contribution) The point that I made has not been referred to. Does the noble Baroness agree that the fact that ACP...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c1369 (Link to this contribution) I will hold on to "anomaly" as something that I intend to build on. It is not a satisfactory positio...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 711 c1366-7 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment and do so because I have been concerned about this organisation for a while ...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1365-6 (Link to this contribution) We are opening the debate and I am sure that there will be plenty of room for everyone to join in. I...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 711 c1365 (Link to this contribution) I—

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1365 (Link to this contribution) I—

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1369 (Link to this contribution) I assess that it is appropriate, although it does seem that there are anomalies.

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c1368-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. I particularly thank the noble Lord, Lord Stoddart of Swind...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1367-8 (Link to this contribution) As has been said by a number of speakers, the Association of Chief Police Officers—ACPO—is not subje...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1367 (Link to this contribution) I would like to ask the Minister how an organisation that is not subject to public scrutiny can set ...

Lord Borrie | 711 c1354 (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy for the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Richmond, a...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1352-4 (Link to this contribution) It may be convenient if I speak to Amendment 2 now so that we can debate the whole group together. B...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c1356 (Link to this contribution) Many Members of the Committee will have read the interview with the new Home Secretary, Alan Johnson...

Lord Swinfen | 711 c1355-6 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree with the comments made by the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, on Amendment 1. Of the two ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1375 (Link to this contribution) I fear that I will not be able to be specific on either of the points. All I can say is that ACPO is...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1375-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord and the noble Baronesses for their supportive comments. I agree with the Mini...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1373-4 (Link to this contribution) Taken alone, Amendment 5A, tabled by my noble friend Lady Henig and the noble Baroness, Lady Harris,...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1374-5 (Link to this contribution) This seems to be an opportunity to open up consideration of the representative members. We briefly t...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1371-2 (Link to this contribution) I added my name to the amendments because I completely agree with them. I have been interested to he...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1372-3 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Henig, has made a constructive speech and, while disagreeing with the chang...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1369 (Link to this contribution) Clause 2: Police Senior Appointments Panel Amendment 5A 5A: Clause 2, page 2, line 3, leave out fr...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1370-1 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 6. I have already declared an interest as president of the Associati...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1376 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 9 9: Clause 2, page 3, leave out lines 19 to 40

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1376 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Viscount, Lord Bridgeman. We too are concerned at the powers of the Secretary of...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1376 (Link to this contribution) Following on from the previous debate where we discussed the uncertainty over the future number and ...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1377 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 10 10: Clause 2, page 3, line 31, at end insert— "( ) In Section 54(2A) of that Act (insp...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1377-8 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 10 explores how the panel’s activities will be scrutinised and what mechanisms there will ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1378 (Link to this contribution) This amendment seeks to create a role for the Inspectorate of Constabulary in inspecting the operati...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1378 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that explanation. As I understand it, the power is already there f...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1376-7 (Link to this contribution) The amendment would remove the power of the Home Secretary to confer additional functions on the sen...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1377 (Link to this contribution) I think the Minister is not being quite specific enough about the intentions behind this clause. We ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1377 (Link to this contribution) I understand. I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Richmond, for her support. I beg l...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1433 (Link to this contribution) The dinner hour came rather unexpectedly; I was caught out by not being able to thank the Minister f...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1433 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 36 36: Clause 5, page 7, line 42, leave out ", or prohibit them from making,"

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1434 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that reply and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 3...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution) The new clause inserted by Amendment 37 is related to provisions already in the Bill in Clauses 6, 7...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1434-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 37 37: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— "Authorisations of covert human i...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1437-8 (Link to this contribution) Clause 8: Authorisations for surveillance etc Amendments 38 to 41 38: Clause 8, page 12, line 21, ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1438 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 42 and 44 stand in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Miller, although they also st...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1438-9 (Link to this contribution) We fully recognise that Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary plays an important role in promot...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1415 (Link to this contribution) It might be helpful for me simply to say that that is how the amendment is worded. The lay person wo...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1415 (Link to this contribution) These Benches are minded to support this amendment. It seems to be a good idea. It would be very use...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1415 (Link to this contribution) There is a lot to be learnt from collaborative arrangements. They already operate to a limited exten...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1416-7 (Link to this contribution) I have been asked by my noble friend Lord Bates, who cannot be in his place, to remind the noble Bar...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1416 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 30 30: Clause 5, page 7, leave out lines 30 and 31

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1416 (Link to this contribution) There are ironies all round here. The noble Lord mentions Flanagan; I mention in passing that there ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1416 (Link to this contribution) I was delighted to see that the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, spotted the irony of the amendment, whi...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1421 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 30 withdrawn. Amendments 31 ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1417-8 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 31, 32, 34 and 35 in this group stand in my name, and I will deal with each in turn as qu...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1418-20 (Link to this contribution) I shall take Amendments 32, 33, 34 and 35 first, and move on to Amendments 30 and 31. The first amen...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c1445 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed that we do not have an amendment from the Conservatives so that we could have a li...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1445 (Link to this contribution) We all have views on how police authorities should be and they are all different. My main concern is...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1447-8 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary’s strategic policing priorities are set at a national level and are already integ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1447 (Link to this contribution) My name is added to this amendment. The noble Baroness, Lady Henig, has outlined it perfectly adequa...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1448 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 44C 44C: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause— "Police authorities: nominatio...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1448 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that response. In view of the lateness of the hour and the fact that we ...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1446 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for what my noble friend has just said and for the very supportive way in which he has...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1445-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baronesses seek to enshrine in primary legislation the existing duty on those who appoint ...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1447 (Link to this contribution) Moving speedily on, this amendment was drawn up with the new single confidence target for policing v...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1446 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 44B 44B: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause— "Police authorities: co-operat...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1439 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response. However, I would have thought that HMIC would have the abili...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1443-4 (Link to this contribution) The amendment aims to do two things. First, it puts councillor nominations on a more competency-base...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1443 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 44A 44A: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause— "Police authorities: membershi...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1442-3 (Link to this contribution) Clause 11 extends the Secretary of State’s power to make regulations to require police forces to ado...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1441-2 (Link to this contribution) Clause 11 : Police procedures and practices Debate on whether Clause 11 should stand part of the Bi...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1441 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that explanation. As long as we do not set off on a nationwide renewal prog...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1440-1 (Link to this contribution) I understand that this is a probing amendment. As noble Lords will know, the policing Green Paper, F...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1439 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 43 is a probing amendment to find out what sort of software the Secretary of State might m...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1439 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 43 43: Clause 10, page 15, line 11, leave out subsection (4)

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1444-5 (Link to this contribution) I added my name to this amendment, but the Liberal Democrats have a rather different system for the ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 711 c1387 (Link to this contribution) I am suggesting that we should not support the amendment and that the noble Lord, Lord Imbert, might...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1387-8 (Link to this contribution) I understand where the amendment is coming from. It has elements to which I am sympathetic but I mus...

Lord Borrie | 711 c1388 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to see and hear the noble Lord, Lord Imbert, once again in this Chamber—and in good...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1388-9 (Link to this contribution) A number of noble Lords have already mentioned this, but I think the whole House welcomes the noble ...

Lord Imbert | 711 c1383-4 (Link to this contribution) Clause 4: Metropolitan police force appointments Amendment 13 13: Clause 4, page 4, leave out line...

Lord Imbert | 711 c1384-6 (Link to this contribution) I begin with an apology. I was unable to be present in your Lordships’ House for Second Reading and,...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 711 c1386 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority and former chair of that auth...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 711 c1386 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord saying that we ought to have more time for discussion with the police authority on...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1382-3 (Link to this contribution) Clause 3 allows the Secretary of State to make regulations which will support the work of the senior...

Lord Geddes | 711 c1383 (Link to this contribution) Before calling Amendment 13, I must advise the Committee that if it is agreed to, I cannot call Amen...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 711 c1392 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend. The answer that he is giving, although compelling and interesting,...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1391 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lords, Lord Harris of Haringey and Lord Bradshaw, have made some very telling points, and ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1391-2 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 14, 15 and 16 would remove the approval role of the Secretary of State in appointments to...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 711 c1391 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment on the basis that I hope we will get clarity from the Minister about the suc...

Lord Bradshaw | 711 c1391 (Link to this contribution) I have taken part on a number of these panels and I should like the Minister to explain very careful...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1390 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 14 14: Clause 4, page 4, leave out line 22

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1390 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 14, 15 and 16 leave out the words, ""obtain the approval of the Secretary of State"." We...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1390 (Link to this contribution) As far as I am aware, there have been some discussions at official level, but nothing further. The p...

Lord Imbert | 711 c1390 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords who have contributed to this discussion, and I thank in particular the ...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 711 c1390 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister indicate what discussions have taken place between the Government and the Metropo...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1393 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, that is what happens, but I will get advice from the Box on the exact stages. At...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1393-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for clarifying what is without doubt a very blurred area. I am also ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1394 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 18 18: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clause— "Responsibilities of police autho...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1394-5 (Link to this contribution) The amendment was discussed in Committee in the other place. The proposed new clause sets out the re...

Lord Bradshaw | 711 c1395 (Link to this contribution) I return to the vexed issue of the rate capping in Surrey. This took place just before local county ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1392 (Link to this contribution) I was giving an example of where the Home Secretary might require the power to act in a specific cas...

Lord Bradshaw | 711 c1392 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister really suggesting that when the names are put forward for interview, the Home Secret...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1392 (Link to this contribution) I can think of occasions when, as Naval Secretary, I approved lists of people for promotion and ther...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 711 c1392-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way yet again on this point. He seems to be saying that ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 711 c1399 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 20 20: Clause 5, page 5, line 22, at end insert— "( ) A chief officer may make an agreeme...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 711 c1399-400 (Link to this contribution) The Bill has major implications for staff and for the trade union UNISON, which has a substantial me...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1398-9 (Link to this contribution) Efficiency and effectiveness at all levels of policing are at the heart of the purpose of encouragin...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1399 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Viscount, Lord Bridgeman, and the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, for their support f...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1400 (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, but in effect police aut...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1396-7 (Link to this contribution) The Minister and I will never agree on this point. The effect of what he is saying is a great tighte...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1397-8 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 21 is grouped with Amendment 19. As the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, has just pointed out, ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1398 (Link to this contribution) We find Amendments 19 and 21 very sensible because, as the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, has said, th...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1397 (Link to this contribution) Clause 5: Police collaboration Amendment 19 19: Clause 5, page 5, leave out lines 18 to 20

Baroness Henig | 711 c1397 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 19 and 21 are the first of many amendments to deal with issues of collaboration. Their ai...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1401-2 (Link to this contribution) This amendment provides that a police authority must consult its chief officer before entering into ...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1401 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 22 22: Clause 5, page 6, line 6, leave out "with the approval of" and insert "after consu...

Viscount Bridgeman | 711 c1402-3 (Link to this contribution) Once again the noble Baronesses, Lady Henig and Lady Harris of Richmond, have made a good case for t...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1402 (Link to this contribution) The amendment is connected to the debate that we have just had about ultimate accountability for ens...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 711 c1401 (Link to this contribution) I will refer the comments of my noble friend to members of UNISON. I am grateful to the noble Barone...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1400-1 (Link to this contribution) I must admit that I have great sympathy with the point made by my noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1403 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for his reply and for the sliver of hope that we might be able to agree on t...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1403 (Link to this contribution) It is obviously important to ensure that collaboration agreements between police authorities are cap...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1403-4 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 23 and 24 are interdependent, and I shall outline briefly why I think they are desirable....

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1403 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 23 23: Clause 5, page 6, line 16, after "payments" insert "and indemnities"

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1405-6 (Link to this contribution) Once again, I am afraid that we return to the wide-ranging powers of the Secretary of State in the B...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1405 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 25 25: Clause 5, page 6, leave out lines 36 and 37

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1405 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister. Including this information in guidance is the appropriate way fo...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1405 (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that it should be in primary legislation. I will come back to the noble Baroness wi...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c1405 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend comes back on her interesting and necessary point, under these collaborative ...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1404 (Link to this contribution) The two amendments raise the sensible point that indemnities which may need to be part of the detail...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1404 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the amendment which, as the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, said, covers the loophol...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1407 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister as well as the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, who asked a range of relevant quest...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1406-7 (Link to this contribution) The issue raised in proposed new Section 23C(1) was discussed at Second Reading by several noble Lor...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1406 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, because it raises many question...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1411 (Link to this contribution) I have added my name to this amendment. There is no need for me to reiterate what the noble Baroness...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1408 (Link to this contribution) The Government "being aware of" and the Government "interfering with" are perhaps two different thin...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1408 (Link to this contribution) We picked the figure of six because it is the number of police force areas in the largest known regi...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1408 (Link to this contribution) This small amendment tries to clarify proposed new subsection 23C(5). As I understand it, the collab...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1408 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 26 26: Clause 5, page 7, leave out lines 1 to 3

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1409 (Link to this contribution) It may sound like semantics, but it seems that the Minister has not quite answered the question. The...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1408-9 (Link to this contribution) The provision of the proposed new subsection requires police forces and authorities to reach a mutua...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1409 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. I look forward to that coming back, and I beg leave to withdraw the a...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1409 (Link to this contribution) I did not answer the noble Baroness’s question, and I see exactly where she is coming from. The poli...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1410 (Link to this contribution) As with previous amendments, this one aims to bring greater clarity to collaboration agreements. The...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1409-10 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 27 27: Clause 5, page 7, line 3, at end insert— "( ) A collaboration agreement may be ent...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1412 (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 28, I will speak also to Amendment 36A. Amendment 28 aims to put beyond doubt th...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1412 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 28 28: Clause 5, page 7, line 6, after "force" insert "or a joint committee of those auth...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1411-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for his very clear explanation. I will say only that the intention of the am...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1411 (Link to this contribution) There has been some confusion over separation in this legislation—in how it deals with the agreement...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1414 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for his reply. I also thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Hanham and Lady Harri...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1413-4 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Henig is entirely right that police authorities should be able to deliver their...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1413 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. As regards collaborative arrangements, it is extremely important that a mec...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1412-3 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 36A in this grouping is intended to assist collaboration and make its operation easier and...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1415 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 29 29: Clause 5, page 7, line 28, at end insert— "23EA Collaboration agreements: report (...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution) The amendment relates to the composition of crime and disorder overview and scrutiny committees, whi...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1450 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for his response. I am sure that there are problems with the amendment, but ...

Lord Brett | 711 c1450 (Link to this contribution) In the light of events in another place, I move that the House do now adjourn during pleasure until ...

Baroness Henig | 711 c1448-9 (Link to this contribution) This amendment seeks to ensure that there is always a police authority representative on crime and d...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1449 (Link to this contribution) My name is attached to the amendment that the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, has outlined admirably. I ...

Baroness Hanham | 711 c1449 (Link to this contribution) I merely observe that the proposals put forward by the noble Baroness might be very difficult to ope...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1377 (Link to this contribution) I fear that I am unable to go further at the moment. Could we return to this?

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1433-4 (Link to this contribution) As was the case with Amendment 25, proposed by the noble Baronesses, Lady Harris of Richmond and Lad...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 711 c1438 (Link to this contribution) Clause 10: Police equipment Amendment 42 42: Clause 10, page 15, line 10, at end insert— "( ) Afte...

Lord West of Spithead | 711 c1395-6 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, the noble Baronesses tabled these amendments because they think the Secretary of State’s po...

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