Cohabitation Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage first day. Clause 1 agreed to. Clause 2 under consideration. Amendment 3 disagreed to on division (24 votes to 11).
Cohabitation Bill [HL]
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Thursday, 30 April 2009,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
710 c410-32 
Session
2008-09
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c421 (Link to this contribution)
I think therefore that procedurally the right thing for me to do now is to move Amendment 1. I beg t...
Lord Brett | 710 c420-1 (Link to this contribution)
Before I come to the amendment, perhaps I should declare an interest as a cohabitee. That is not ent...
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Bishop of Southwark | 710 c420 (Link to this contribution)
The right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Winchester, who sadly cannot be present this evening, spoke...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 710 c418-20 (Link to this contribution)
In that case, I will speak on Amendment 1, which I strongly support. I notice that, although the nob...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 710 c421 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Baroness will have to speak to Amendment 4 in its place when we get there.
Baroness Deech | 710 c421 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 2
2: Clause 2, page 2, line 7, leave out paragraph (b)
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 710 c418 (Link to this contribution)
It appears to me as though it would be appropriate for me to speak on Amendment 1 and allow Amendmen...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 710 c418 (Link to this contribution)
Although it is not for me to tell anyone what to do, I think it may help if we degroup these two ame...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 710 c417 (Link to this contribution)
I accept all the points about there being no binding rules, but it seems to me that the normal court...
Lord Henley | 710 c417 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful for the repeated promotion of my status in the peerage, but I assure the noble Lo...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 710 c417 (Link to this contribution)
What I was trying to explain to the noble Lord is that it may be a courtesy for the person in whose ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c417 (Link to this contribution)
I did move the first amendment. Amendment 4 is grouped with Amendment 1.
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 710 c418 (Link to this contribution)
I have a feeling that Amendment 4 is in my name. I should like to respond on Amendment 1 and then mo...
Lord Henley | 710 c418 (Link to this contribution)
Shall we leave it to the noble Lord, Lord Lester, to say whatever he wants to? It might be that the ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 710 c418 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Baroness needs only to speak to Amendment 4, as only one Motion can be before ...
Lord Henley | 710 c418 (Link to this contribution)
I may have slightly confused the Committee. I was trying to make it clear that we are talking to Ame...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c417 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Viscount sits down, may I ask for his help? He interrupted my opening speech, and I...
Baroness Deech | 710 c415-6 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for her helpful intervention. I wish to explain that by saying some of th...
Lord Henley | 710 c415 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, responds, perhaps I may remind the noble Baroness, Lady Thoma...
Baroness Thomas of Walliswood | 710 c415 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness. She is speaking to the amendments—hers is the ...
Baroness Deech | 710 c412-5 (Link to this contribution)
I say what I do about this amendment with certain principles behind me which also apply to all the a...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c411-2 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly did not intend to be rude and I apologise if I seem to have been impolite. I shall there...
Lord Henley | 710 c411 (Link to this contribution)
No. I just find it extraordinary that the noble Lord did not bother to speak beforehand to either my...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c411 (Link to this contribution)
It is entirely in the hands of the Committee. However, having begun to explain the main purposes of ...
Lord Henley | 710 c411 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether I may intervene in the fascinating opening speech of the noble Lord, Lord Lester. M...
Lord Henley | 710 c416-7 (Link to this contribution)
I too have my name down to the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, and I suppor...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c410-1 (Link to this contribution)
In moving Amendment 1 I shall speak also to Amendment 4, with which it is grouped. I am happy to rep...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c410 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 1 agreed to.
Clause 2 ["Cohabitant"]:
Amendment 1
1: Clause 2, page 2, line 3, leave out "...
Baroness Deech | 710 c428 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 2 withdrawn.
Lord Henley | 710 c429 (Link to this contribution)
I fully support the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, in Amendment 3, which is grouped with Amendments 12 ...
Baroness Deech | 710 c428-9 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment and those coupled with it are about retrospectivity. One of the striking features abo...
Baroness Deech | 710 c428 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 3
3: Clause 2, page 2, line 12, leave out "taken into account" and insert "disregarded"
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c430-1 (Link to this contribution)
I shall deal with a number of points. First, the noble Lord, Lord Henley, asked how the court would ...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 710 c429-30 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that the noble Lord, Lord Henley, will have to hear me give the answer first. There is n...
Lord Pannick | 710 c430 (Link to this contribution)
I declare another interest. I was a pupil of my noble friend Lady Deech at Oxford. I always listened...
Baroness Deech | 710 c431-2 (Link to this contribution)
A couple who found themselves before the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, would be for...
Baroness Deech | 710 c424-5 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord mentioned living together as a couple and then went on to say that this implies a sex...
Lord Henley | 710 c425-6 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister responds, I will say a word or two. I assure the noble Lord, Lord Lester of Hern...
Baroness Deech | 710 c427 (Link to this contribution)
That is reassuring. One of the scenarios we feared is questions when determining finance about the e...
Lord Brett | 710 c427-8 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to inform the debate and not particularly to respond to it. These linked amendments effective...
Lord Pannick | 710 c426 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister gives us the benefit of the view of the Government, perhaps I may say a few word...
Baroness Deech | 710 c426-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is reassuring to hear the support for the amendment. An answer to two small points would enable m...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c427 (Link to this contribution)
I did not mean to say that it was as narrow as that. The way it has just been put by the noble and l...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 710 c422-3 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder if I would be forgiven for saying that the current law in relation to footballers’ wives co...
Baroness Deech | 710 c421-2 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment seeks to highlight the fact that such advantages as might be conferred by this Bill w...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c423-4 (Link to this contribution)
I have great sympathy with the problem of the Burden sisters and others. During the consultation on ...
Baroness Deech | 710 c423 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I beg to move.
Baroness Deech | 710 c423 (Link to this contribution)
I completely share the concerns of the noble Baroness. Later we shall come to an amendment in which ...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 710 c423 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Committee be clear about whether the noble Baroness has moved Amendment 2? It is, ""page 2, ...
Baroness Deech | 710 c423 (Link to this contribution)
I am referring to footballers’ girlfriends and to the clause in the Bill that, at the moment, includ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 710 c425 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Deech, should do justice to herself. She knows perfectly well that the reas...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 710 c426 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, have the greatest possible sympathy with the amendment and with the noble Baroness in her pr...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 710 c423 (Link to this contribution)
How would the noble Baroness answer the question about whether her amendment would drive a coach and...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 710 c421 (Link to this contribution)
If I might respectfully say so, I think it should be Amendment 4.
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