Marine and Coastal Access Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage seventh day. Clauses 114 and 115 agreed to.
Marine and Coastal Access Bill [HL]
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Monday, 9 March 2009,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
708 c1013-52 
Session
2008-09
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Marine and Coastal Access Bill (HL). Explanatory Notes HL Bill 1-EN also published.
Thursday, 4 December 2008
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House of Lords
Thursday, 4 December 2008
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1013-4 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments represent a heavy-duty grouping but we are keen to ensure we concentrate the debate...
Lord Greenway | 708 c1014 (Link to this contribution)
In voicing my support for the amendments, I make it clear to the Committee that I have long been ass...
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Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1017 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. In the broadest terms, we agree with him. We certainly agree tha...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1017 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment A127
A127: Clause 114, page 68, line 23, at beginning insert "existing"
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 708 c1015 (Link to this contribution)
When it comes to the designation of sites of special scientific interest in the terrestrial environm...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1015-7 (Link to this contribution)
That is why I did not want to fall into any traps. I am not saying that the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, ...
Lord Tyler | 708 c1021-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am very glad to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Young of Old Scone, because, as she knows, I have ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1017-9 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments follow on from our previous debate. They are intended to give noble Lords an opport...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 708 c1019-21 (Link to this contribution)
I speak to my Amendment A135A and I want to touch on Amendments A136 and A140A tabled by the noble L...
Lord Tyler | 708 c1015 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening with interest to the noble Lord. Am I right in thinking that Ministers have executive...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1015 (Link to this contribution)
I am not going so far as to say that the precedent is drawn from the noble Lord’s example; I do not ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1014-5 (Link to this contribution)
This is a good way to start today’s sitting. I fully recognise the point that the noble Lord, Lord T...
Baroness Hooper | 708 c1033-5 (Link to this contribution)
In general, the approach and aim of the amendment that I and Members of the Committee of all sides h...
Baroness Hooper | 708 c1033 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment A130
A130: Clause 114, page 68, line 25, at end insert—
"( ) seascape"
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1032-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful for the Minister’s response to what has been a really good debate and one in whic...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
I fully understand what the noble Baroness means about MCZs not being no-go zones. I agree with her ...
Lord Judd | 708 c1037-8 (Link to this contribution)
I warmly congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Hooper, on introducing the amendment. I urge my noble...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
I was pleased to put my name to this amendment. I support what the two previous speakers have said. ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 708 c1035-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely glad to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Hooper, who has so persuasively and powerfull...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 708 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
I shall make one last attempt. The process of designation happens at a single point in time. It will...
Lord Tyler | 708 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
I was going to suggest that the Minister might like to respond to the particular point about the San...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 708 c1039-40 (Link to this contribution)
I assure my noble friend that I fully support the definition put forward by the noble Baroness, Lady...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 708 c1039 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken to the amendment, and to the noble Baroness for mov...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may give the Minister an example. We are talking about seascapes as a reason to designate ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 708 c1040-1 (Link to this contribution)
It is a working definition, but that does not mean that it fits into the Bill in the way that the no...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 708 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister accept that the Pembrokeshire Coast National Park was designated because of its se...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 708 c1038 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness, Lady Hooper, who introduced this important amendment. I happen to have...
Lord Greenway | 708 c1038 (Link to this contribution)
I have enormous sympathy with this amendment, although it contains a number of difficulties. We can ...
Lord Tyler | 708 c1038-9 (Link to this contribution)
As the noble Baroness, Lady Hooper, and the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, said, we had a preliminary ski...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1039 (Link to this contribution)
I fully support my noble friend’s amendment and hope that the Minister will give serious considerati...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment A135
A135: Clause 114, page 68, line 32, leave out subsection (4) and insert—
"(4) The re...
Baroness Hooper | 708 c1044-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords for their warm support of this amendment. Short as it was, one tiny wor...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 708 c1044 (Link to this contribution)
I have to say to my noble friend that it sits alongside rather than being integral. It is not expect...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 708 c1044 (Link to this contribution)
What is the Government’s view of the status of the commitment to the European Landscape Convention, ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 708 c1044 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness, but I am even more grateful to my noble friend for his admonish...
Lord Judd | 708 c1043 (Link to this contribution)
I hope my noble friend will accept that some of us earnestly hope that the noble Baroness will bring...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1043-4 (Link to this contribution)
It should be quite easy for Defra as the sponsoring department to come up with something. After all,...
Lord Tyler | 708 c1042 (Link to this contribution)
I am following the Minister as best I can, but he seems to be advancing two quite different argument...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 708 c1042-3 (Link to this contribution)
My answer has been substantial, logical and coherent with regard to a number of issues that have bee...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 708 c1042 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord will recognise that I am arguing that national parks are bodies with such a proud rec...
Lord Greenway | 708 c1049 (Link to this contribution)
I support this amendment—indeed, I have raised the subject of marking the conservation zones on a nu...
Earl Cathcart | 708 c1049 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Miller, has advanced an excellent amendment here. I am very pleased to be s...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1051-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord, Lord Greenway, and the noble Earl, Lord Cathcart, for their support for the ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 708 c1049-51 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the noble Lord’s last point—that these issues will have to be considered very carefully...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1046-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, for raising two very important points. First, he was v...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his response and for the way in which he has dealt with these amendments. A...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1048 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 115: Further provision as to orders designating MCZs
Amendment A141
A141: Clause 115, page ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1048-9 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment adds to the list of things about which orders must be made when designating marine co...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1045-6 (Link to this contribution)
My amendments in this group probe the drafting of subsection (4) a little further and emphasise the ...
Baroness Byford | 708 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
I shall not detain the Committee except to express support for my noble friend’s amendments, particu...
Lord Judd | 708 c1026-7 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord spoke, the noble Earl made a severe comment about the noble Baroness. I had th...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 708 c1026 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether I could try again to clarify the provision that I was aiming for, which is not fund...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1026 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Baroness agree that bringing in the socio-economic consequences in the original desig...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 708 c1025 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot resist speaking on Amendment A135A, which I agree wholly with the noble Baroness is absolut...
Earl of Selborne | 708 c1025-6 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may inject a note of caution to those who rightly are determined to make sure that this Bi...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 708 c1024-5 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of clarity, perhaps the Minister will tell us how this will look in Scotland. The noble B...
Lord Eden of Winton | 708 c1022-3 (Link to this contribution)
I have great sympathy with the approach taken by my noble friend Lord Taylor of Holbeach and I under...
Lord Judd | 708 c1023-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am very glad that the noble Lord, Lord Eden, has said what he has just said. I have a great deal o...
Lord Greenway | 708 c1022 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment A136 is tabled in my name, although the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, spoke to it in passing so...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1029-30 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend Lord Judd seemed to have an image of a network of marine motorways. He did not sugge...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c1030-1 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may follow my noble friend. I have listened with interest to this debate, having been able...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to both noble Baronesses for those contributions, but I am quite clear on the designat...
Lord Greenway | 708 c1027 (Link to this contribution)
There is a danger that several noble Lords are speaking about sites that need maximum protection. Th...
Baroness Byford | 708 c1027-8 (Link to this contribution)
I hesitate to enter this debate as it has clearly shown the difficulties that we face with this Bill...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1028-9 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a very interesting debate. I recall this as one of the central parts of our debate at ...
Lord Judd | 708 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that my noble friend would agree that we have to keep in mind that the force of his econom...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 708 c1027 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Young of Old Scone, is surely right to make her case as she has on the anal...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1027 (Link to this contribution)
We have such a blueprint for how to do this with SSSIs on land, which, after all, we have never desi...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 708 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
While I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, on that, I must pray in aid the noble Lord, ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 708 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the noble Baroness says. She is obliged to say that the shifting of the sand might in an...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 708 c1013 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 114: Grounds for designation of MCZs
Amendment A123 had been retabled as Amendment A135A.
A...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the sentiments expressed in this debate, particularly those of the noble Baroness, Lady...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c1030 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for spelling out how he sees it. I agree that the clause says what it is doing,...
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