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Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism

Debate on Tuesday, 3 March 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Coaker. The answering member was Crispin Blunt.
Draft Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in force of sections 1 to 9) Order 2009. Debate on a motion to approve. Agreed to on division (271 votes to 89). [Relevant documents: The Fifth Report of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, Session 2008-09,Counter-Terrorism Policy and Human Rights (Fourteenth Report): Annual Renewal of Control Orders Legislation 2009, HC 282.]
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
488 c734-63 
Session
2008-09
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c760 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief, because there is very little time. We have been over the Prevention of Terrorism A...
David Davis | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) Very briefly.

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Gary Streeter | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
David Davis | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) That, of course, is the risk, and it brings us to the issue of the size of the problem. When this pi...
Gary Streeter | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) Has my right hon. Friend observed that, according to page 5 of Lord Carlile's excellent report, the ...
David Davis | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the Minister if he wishes to challenge me on that point.
David Davis | 488 c759-60 (Link to this contribution) What it shows, frankly, is that information given to the House at the time when the control order le...
Lord Coaker | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to challenge the right hon. Gentleman on that point, but I should have thought that th...
David Davis | 488 c758-9 (Link to this contribution) If we looked at this issue solely from the point of view of effectiveness against terrorism, it woul...
Andrew Dismore | 488 c758 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for repeating that commitment, as the current system is reminiscent of...
Lord Coaker | 488 c757 (Link to this contribution) Let me assure my hon. Friend that I will ensure that that happens.
David Davis | 488 c753 (Link to this contribution) When I spoke to the head of counter-terrorism at the Department of Justice in the United States, he ...
Chris Huhne | 488 c753 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I do not agree with the hon. Gentleman at all. His view of the Human Rights Act is ...
William Cash | 488 c752-3 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear the hon. Gentleman talk about fair trials and due process. He may know that that i...
Viscount Hailsham | 488 c755-6 (Link to this contribution) In view of the shortness of this debate, I intend to be much briefer than I would be otherwise. It i...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 488 c754-5 (Link to this contribution) Most hon. Members remember that the legislation was passed immediately before the last general elect...
Chris Huhne | 488 c753-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the right hon. Gentleman. Contrary to the point that the Minister made in his speech, L...
Lord Coaker | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) With respect, how does the hon. Gentleman know that? The one in five who has absconded may have gone...
Edward Leigh | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) If one in five people are absconding and not being found, that raises the suspicion that they do not...
Lord Coaker | 488 c735 (Link to this contribution) If anyone absconds or breaches a control order, it is a serious matter, and we do not want to see su...
David Davis | 488 c735 (Link to this contribution) My question is much simpler. The Minister has repeated the argument of the Home Secretary who introd...
Lord Coaker | 488 c734-5 (Link to this contribution) I accept the hon. Gentleman's point and I know that there is no disagreement among any of us about t...
William Cash | 488 c734 (Link to this contribution) The Minister may know that a number of Conservative Members believe that control is essential, but t...
Lord Coaker | 488 c734 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) first and subsequently to his right hon. Fr...
Lord Coaker | 488 c734 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the draft Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in force of sections 1 t...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c740 (Link to this contribution) May I begin by agreeing with the Minister about the nature of the threat and by placing on record ou...
Lord Coaker | 488 c739-40 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know—and my hon. Friend the Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore), the Chair of th...
Evan Harris | 488 c739 (Link to this contribution) I have listened carefully to what the Minister has said. He will be aware of the danger of selective...
Lord Coaker | 488 c739 (Link to this contribution) No, there has not. The highest court in the land has upheld the control order regime, reflecting th...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c740 (Link to this contribution) May I place it on the record that I find the orders unsatisfactory? I said that there were so many f...
Lord Coaker | 488 c738-9 (Link to this contribution) Let me say, without commenting on the specifics of the amount of intelligence work that is or is not...
Keith Vaz | 488 c739 (Link to this contribution) Has there been any occasion in the last year when the Home Secretary has had to impose an urgent ord...
Lord Coaker | 488 c738 (Link to this contribution) I think that this should probably be the last time that I give way.
Tobias Ellwood | 488 c738 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister but perhaps if we had more than an hour and a half to debate these imp...
Lord Coaker | 488 c736-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that intercept evidence is the subject of the Chilcot review which is curre...
Gordon Prentice | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) The former Home Secretary, the right hon. Member for Airdrie and Shotts (John Reid), mentioned evide...
Lord Coaker | 488 c737 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a point that a number of hon. Members across the House have repeated. Tha...
Frank Dobson | 488 c737 (Link to this contribution) The Coroners and Justice Bill proposes the use of intercept evidence in coroners courts. If intercep...
Lord Coaker | 488 c737 (Link to this contribution) It is the same assessment, to be honest with my hon. Friend, as I make with respect to any anti-terr...
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c737 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has assessed the workings of this legislation. What assessment has he made of the impac...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is no coincidence that those who are raising the deficiencies...
Lord Coaker | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) As a former Home Secretary, my right hon. Friend is obviously aware of the gap that we are trying to...
Lord Coaker | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress, but of course I will give way to my hon. Friend.
Keith Vaz | 488 c747 (Link to this contribution) Yes, we should. I remember that my hon. Friend always voted against, so for that purpose he was on t...
Keith Vaz | 488 c747 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. It is an artificial debate when the Opposition are dead against everyth...
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c747 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will recall the many debates that used to be held about the continuation of the...
Edward Leigh | 488 c747 (Link to this contribution) The most devastating intervention in the debate so far has been the right hon. Gentleman's, when he ...
Keith Vaz | 488 c746-7 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Reigate (Mr. Blunt), who spoke with such passi...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c746 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my right hon. and learned Friend will forgive me, but there is still an hour for other p...
Viscount Hailsham | 488 c743 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend also remind the House that the Liberty report makes it plain that a number of th...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c742-3 (Link to this contribution) As the right hon. Gentleman knows, control orders are an unsatisfactory answer. We have to reduce th...
Evan Harris | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) I do not know how the hon. Gentleman can say that it puts any pressure on another country to say, "I...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's characterisation of the issue is ludicrous and not one for the real world. A on...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) I know of the hon. Gentleman's past commitment to national security and I fully understand that in s...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c741 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is more learned about these matters than I am, but I hope that, once we had repealed ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman share my concern that we are in danger of making one-off agreements with cou...
William Cash | 488 c741 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree—I very much agree with him that a proper Bill passed at Westminster would ...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c740-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that clarification and for the fact that the right hon. Gentleman thinks the order...
Chris Huhne | 488 c752 (Link to this contribution) I have no doubt that the effect in communities that have suffered from people being held under contr...
David Davis | 488 c751 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the ex-Home Secretary is not here, because he did not give the House exactly accurat...
Chris Huhne | 488 c750 (Link to this contribution) I, too, thank Lord Carlile of Berriew for publishing his report in good time for this year's renewal...
Keith Vaz | 488 c750 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way any more; I am sorry to right hon. and hon. Gentlemen, but there is very little ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c752 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will have heard my intervention on the Minister. What is his personal assessment ...
Chris Huhne | 488 c751-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for that point. He is absolutely right: the ev...
Viscount Hailsham | 488 c751 (Link to this contribution) It is worse than that. Not only is there not a sufficient evidential basis, but there is no proper a...
Chris Huhne | 488 c751 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to take the point of the right hon. Member for Haltemprice and Howden (David Davis); he i...
Lord Coaker | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) Let me put this on the record. It is seven out of 38, which is the figure that was mentioned, but I ...
Keith Vaz | 488 c750 (Link to this contribution) We are very pleased with that announcement— not that people have absconded but that no one has done ...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 488 c747-8 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the example that my right hon. Friend gave about the atrocity that took place in ...
Keith Vaz | 488 c748-9 (Link to this contribution) That is a correct analysis of what the courts can do in those circumstances. I have three quick poi...
Viscount Hailsham | 488 c748 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman remind the House that in respect of non-derogating orders the power of...
Keith Vaz | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) I cannot, but the hon. Gentleman has a distinguished record of association with the intelligence ser...
Keith Vaz | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) I say to the right hon. Gentleman—[Hon. Members: "Friend!"] I should say "my right hon. Friend"—a cl...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help both the hon. Member for Newark (Patrick Mercer) and my right hon. Friend the Mem...
Andrew Dismore | 488 c756-7 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to my Committee's report—the 14th to be published in this Parliament on counter-terr...
Lord Coaker | 488 c735 (Link to this contribution) I will give way shortly, but we have only an hour and a half, and a number of Members wish to speak....
Crispin Blunt | 488 c743-6 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. and learned Friend naturally anticipates the point that I am about to make. However, l...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) I agree that we need to put pressure on countries to stop torture. Indeed, many of the countries wit...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c741 (Link to this contribution) If the former Home Secretary will allow me, I shall make some progress. The sunset clause was the m...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c750 (Link to this contribution) It is my job to be helpful today, Mr. Deputy Speaker. One of the reasons, of course, is that people ...
Keith Vaz | 488 c748 (Link to this contribution) I do not know which group was responsible for that terrorist attack, but I was using it as an exampl...
Patrick Mercer | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) Can the right hon. Gentleman understand why the important process of allowing intercept evidence to ...
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