Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 37 and 38 agreed to as amended. Clauses 39 to 41 agreed to.
Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill [HL]
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Monday, 2 March 2009,
in the House of Lords.
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2008-09
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Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill (HL). Explanatory Notes HL Bill 15-EN also published.
Wednesday, 14 January 2009
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Wednesday, 14 January 2009
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 708 c530-1 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be brief because nearly everything has been said. Having listened to the arguments that have...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c530 (Link to this contribution)
I do not in any way resile from the amendments that have just been moved and are being discussed, bu...
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Earl of Sandwich | 708 c530 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my noble friend. His amendment is very modest, as were the remarks of the noble Lord, L...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 708 c529 (Link to this contribution)
I adopt entirely the arguments of the noble Lord, Lord Hylton. I cannot understand why the burden of...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 708 c529-30 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, and supported by the noble Lord,...
Lord Hylton | 708 c528 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 52ZA
52ZA: Clause 37, page 27, leave out lines 20 and 21
Lord Hylton | 708 c528-9 (Link to this contribution)
I should explain that the two amendments in this group have been renumbered and possibly also regrou...
Lord Brett | 708 c527 (Link to this contribution)
I note the noble and learned Baroness’s comments with interest and respect for her knowledge on thes...
Lord Avebury | 708 c527-8 (Link to this contribution)
We are very grateful to the noble Lord for taking part in this debate and to the noble and learned B...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 708 c526-7 (Link to this contribution)
Is the Minister saying that continuous employment does not mean continuous employment with one emplo...
Lord Brett | 708 c526 (Link to this contribution)
I thank Members of the Committee for that contribution. I am afraid that I am going to disappoint th...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 708 c525 (Link to this contribution)
The present economic situation has been mentioned. I was recently in Poland, which is in the Europea...
Lord Avebury | 708 c524-5 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 51 and 52 are intended as an opportunity for the Minister to explain what is meant by "co...
Lord Hylton | 708 c525 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, have been wondering what is meant by "continuous employment". A restrictive interpretation o...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 708 c525 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, support both the amendments for the reasons given by the noble Lords, Lord Avebury and Lord ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c525 (Link to this contribution)
UNISON, in its useful briefing on the issue, raises a number of concerns such as those outlined by m...
Lord Brett | 708 c522-3 (Link to this contribution)
When I read my notes and attempted to study the background to these amendments, I gave my officials ...
Lord Avebury | 708 c523 (Link to this contribution)
We did not say that the person who comes back on Eurostar does not have a right of re-entry at Water...
Lord Brett | 708 c524 (Link to this contribution)
The point that the noble Lord raises about weekends in Paris, as he seductively suggests, should be ...
Lord Avebury | 708 c524 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 51
51: Clause 37, page 27, leave out lines 15 to 19
Lord Lea of Crondall | 708 c565-6 (Link to this contribution)
That is exactly what I thought the noble Baroness was saying, and exactly where we are on the horns ...
Lord Judd | 708 c566-7 (Link to this contribution)
I was in some embarrassment on the previous debate, because I was not here for its opening and I tak...
Lord Morris of Handsworth | 708 c566 (Link to this contribution)
I give qualified support to Amendment 83. First, though, let me say that the concluding points of th...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c568 (Link to this contribution)
It strikes me that I should have declared an interest when I spoke on the earlier amendment, so let ...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 708 c567-8 (Link to this contribution)
I have already asked, at an earlier stage of the Committee, the question posed by UNISON, to which t...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c569-70 (Link to this contribution)
I fear that the noble Lord, Lord Judd, did not grasp the content of what I said in my earlier interv...
Lord Judd | 708 c568 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness makes some important points. Does she not agree that there is even the danger tha...
Lord Brett | 708 c570-1 (Link to this contribution)
With opposing views expressed, I hope to be able satisfy everybody. I should explain first that my e...
Lord Judd | 708 c571 (Link to this contribution)
I know that my noble friend is trying to answer the points, but would he not agree that there is a c...
Lord Brett | 708 c571 (Link to this contribution)
During the hour and a half that we spent discussing the previous group of amendments, we identified ...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 708 c588 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 84
84: Clause 39, page 31, line 43, leave out subsections (2) to (5)
Lord Lea of Crondall | 708 c572 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry; I wrote it down. This is my last sentence. The debate that we are having is 180 degrees ...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c572 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for giving way. I do not believe that I used that word; I avoid using it wher...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 708 c571-2 (Link to this contribution)
I found this interchange very useful. The reason why I wanted Amendment 83 to stand outside the earl...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 708 c589 (Link to this contribution)
When much of this voluntary activity is to be devolved to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, is i...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c589 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 85A extends the discussion that we had earlier. It attempts to establish who is going to b...
Lord Haskel | 708 c589 (Link to this contribution)
If Amendment 84 is agreed, I cannot call Amendments 85 and 85A because of pre-emption.
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 708 c588-9 (Link to this contribution)
Here, as in other parts of the Bill, we are concerned about the breadth of the powers that the Bill ...
Lord Brett | 708 c590 (Link to this contribution)
Let us discuss the missing paper first. I can give noble Lords an assurance that it was placed in th...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c591 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, can we expand this debate and make sure that we clearly understand th...
Lord Brett | 708 c591 (Link to this contribution)
I am not necessarily saying that that would be the case. The design group will work on this. Undoubt...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 708 c593 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 40: Children born in UK etc. to members of the armed forces
Amendment 86
86: Clause 40, pag...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 708 c593 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 84 withdrawn.
Amendments 85 and 85A not moved.
C...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 708 c595 (Link to this contribution)
I support Amendment 86. It would be unjust to the children of members of the Armed Forces if, by the...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 708 c593-5 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 87 to 89 are linked to Amendment 86, which has been tabled by my noble friends Lord Avebu...
Lord Brett | 708 c591-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for the reminder and apologise for not dealing with that question. It will be...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 708 c591 (Link to this contribution)
I am not entirely happy with the terms in which the noble Lord has answered this debate. Volunteerin...
Lord Brett | 708 c592-3 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is making presumptions that are not necessarily in the Government’s mind. We are seek...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 708 c592 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister give any assurance on limitations to the Government’s thoughts about how much they ...
Lord Brett | 708 c595-6 (Link to this contribution)
I hope to be able to reassure the noble Lord in such a way that he will understand why the Governmen...
Lord Brett | 708 c596 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but I did not catch the latter part of the question. Noble Lords may have noticed that I...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 708 c596 (Link to this contribution)
If we already have all that anyway what, then, is the point of the proposed new subsection (1A)? For...
Lord Avebury | 708 c597-600 (Link to this contribution)
When Hong Kong was being handed back to China in 1997, concern was expressed by the governor and the...
Lord Avebury | 708 c597 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 90
90: Before Clause 41, insert the following new Clause—
"Certain persons without other ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 708 c597 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 86 withdrawn.
Amendments 87 to 89 not moved.
Cla...
Lord Brett | 708 c597 (Link to this contribution)
I seek to assist the noble Lord and make the matter absolutely clear to him when he reconsiders the ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 708 c596-7 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand it, the proposed new subsection that is being introduced deals with persons who are ...
Lord Brett | 708 c596 (Link to this contribution)
I think we are just placing established policy on a statutory footing, but your Lordships made a poi...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 708 c596 (Link to this contribution)
If children have these rights in any event, what is the purpose of Clause 40(2) in inserting the pro...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c535 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 53
53: Clause 37, page 28, line 19, at end insert—
"( ) a qualifying CTA entitlement;"
A...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c535 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 54
54: Clause 37, page 28, line 21, at end insert "; or
(f) detention, temporary admissio...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c535-6 (Link to this contribution)
In this amendment, we are trying to ensure that periods of temporary admission, temporary release or...
Lord Brett | 708 c534 (Link to this contribution)
I will attempt to meet the noble Baroness’s aspirations, and if I fail I will be happy to extend tha...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c534 (Link to this contribution)
It would be helpful, but we are packing up an enormous amount for the Report stage here simply becau...
Lord Brett | 708 c535 (Link to this contribution)
I confirm once again that I will write to the noble Baroness. However, this is doing nothing but mai...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c535 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 52ZB withdrawn.
Amendment 52A not moved.
Lord Hylton | 708 c533 (Link to this contribution)
I am not at all reassured by what has just been said about non-penalisation. However, so that we can...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c533 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 52ZB
52ZB: Clause 37, page 28, leave out lines 5 to 10
Baroness Hanham | 708 c533-4 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that this will be easier for the Minister, because it is just a probing amendment. Since one ...
Lord Hylton | 708 c533 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in support of these two amendments. I not...
Lord Brett | 708 c533 (Link to this contribution)
We need to await the discussion and the subsequent debate that will ensue on Report regarding the UN...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 708 c532 (Link to this contribution)
As I said before, the UNHCR considers this issue to be of paramount importance and many Members of t...
Lord Brett | 708 c532-3 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Office is in daily contact with the UNHCR. I say that from the experience of my previous ro...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 708 c532 (Link to this contribution)
The UNHCR has taken the trouble to write to a number of noble Lords about this issue. It is all very...
Lord Brett | 708 c532 (Link to this contribution)
The views of the UNHCR on international protocols do not necessarily accord with those of member sta...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 708 c532 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister confine that to the English language or does he include the three languages mentio...
Baroness Stern | 708 c531 (Link to this contribution)
I support all noble Lords who have spoken. At Second Reading, I asked the noble Lord, Lord West, to ...
Lord Brett | 708 c531-2 (Link to this contribution)
The broadness of the amendment is in contrast to the narrowness of the debate and the contributions ...
Lord Hylton | 708 c541 (Link to this contribution)
It is important to avoid any kind of retrospection in this legislation. I hope that the noble Lord w...
Lord Brett | 708 c541 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, that is why I shall explain in a note not necessarily what the transitional arrangements are...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c541 (Link to this contribution)
We will need a note, because I have a huge concern to ensure that the people whom we were trying to ...
Lord Brett | 708 c541 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness makes her position absolutely clear, which is why a note of explanation, fairly u...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c542 (Link to this contribution)
I am still not at all clear what is happening, but for today’s purposes I beg leave to withdraw the ...
Lord Brett | 708 c539-40 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that I can be more helpful on this amendment than I appear to have been on earlier ones, judg...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c540 (Link to this contribution)
I do not understand the position with regard to the transitional arrangements. I understood the nobl...
Lord Brett | 708 c540 (Link to this contribution)
Having said that we propose to change the way in which people will be covered by these systems, I sh...
Lord Elton | 708 c540 (Link to this contribution)
I was slightly confused by all the negatives there. I take it that it is intended that those who are...
Lord Brett | 708 c540-1 (Link to this contribution)
Not quite. Those who apply before the new system comes into operation will be dealt with entirely un...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c538 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 54 withdrawn.
Amendment 55 not moved.
Baroness Hanham | 708 c538 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 56
56: Clause 37, page 28, line 25, at end insert—
"( ) Nothing in this section shall aff...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c538 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords who have supported these amendments. I am also encouraged by the Minist...
Lord Brett | 708 c538 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to give the assurance that we will write to noble Lords and do so either with the ame...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c538-9 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment would ensure that the new provisions in the Bill could not be applied to applicants w...
Lord Avebury | 708 c539 (Link to this contribution)
The amendment provides that an application lodged before the commencement of Part 2 would be dealt w...
Lord Avebury | 708 c537 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister said that not every period of detention will be counted. I will ask about one group of ...
Lord Brett | 708 c537-8 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is very experienced and will recognise that I cannot comment on individual cases. He ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 708 c536 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness’s recommendation, particularly with regard to the specific rights for r...
Lord Brett | 708 c536-7 (Link to this contribution)
The speaker from this Dispatch Box is aware of the possibility of being clobbered several times with...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c548 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 60
60: Clause 38, page 29, line 19, leave out from "application" to "and" in line 22 and ...
Lord Hylton | 708 c548 (Link to this contribution)
I think that this has already been discussed, so I do not intend to move it now.
Amendment 61A not ...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 708 c548 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that Amendment No. 61A has not been withdrawn.
Lord Avebury | 708 c545 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 59
59: Clause 38, page 29, leave out lines 16 to 18
Lord Brett | 708 c547 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord asked a series of questions about marriage visas and so on, about which, frankly, I d...
Lord Avebury | 708 c545-7 (Link to this contribution)
Currently, a migrant in the UK with temporary leave who has entered on the basis of marriage or civi...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c549 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 65
65: Clause 38, page 30, line 9, at end insert—
"(7) For the purposes of sub-paragraph ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c549 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 64
64: Clause 38, page 30, line 1, leave out from "leave" to end of line 3 and insert "—
...
Lord Brett | 708 c544 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise the noble Lord’s frustration and, to some extent, I share it in having to deliver that u...
Lord Avebury | 708 c544 (Link to this contribution)
I rise only to draw attention to the fact that this is yet another case where guidance is expected t...
Lord Brett | 708 c543 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may, first, assure the noble Lord, Lord Brooke, that the response has been dispatched and ...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c543 (Link to this contribution)
There is no intimation of a clause stand part debate on Clause 38, so, if I may, I shall take the op...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c542 (Link to this contribution)
Our amendment concerns the discretion mentioned in the Bill. It probes the Government’s intention as...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c542 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 38: Application requirements: family members etc.
Amendment 56A
56A: Clause 38, page 28, li...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c545 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. In withdrawing the amendment, I should say that we will therefor...
Lord Brett | 708 c545 (Link to this contribution)
First, I have an explanation. "In advance" meant that and "as soon as possible" was an attempt to ta...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c544 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister said in reply to me that he would be bringing forward guidance "in advance". Now he has...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c557-8 (Link to this contribution)
I fear that I may be descending from the general to the particular, but I have just alluded, on Clau...
Earl of Sandwich | 708 c557 (Link to this contribution)
I join the chorus of support for the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham. If there is...
Lord Brett | 708 c559-63 (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate. Several words have been used, which I ho...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c558-9 (Link to this contribution)
I think the Minister will have a very clear idea of the views of the Chamber on this amendment. The ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c564 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply and for drawing our attention to the documents in the Library. It...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 708 c564 (Link to this contribution)
Apropos the earlier debate, I am not normally known for supporting the Government as some sort of kn...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 708 c564 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 83
83: Clause 39, page 31, line 41, after "activities" insert "or trade union activities"...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c564-5 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to interrupt the noble Lord’s train of thought, so I will be brief. I was saying that ...
Lord Avebury | 708 c557 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder how we can penetrate the "fog of uncertainty", as the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, described it...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 708 c553 (Link to this contribution)
I understand and sympathise with the spirit that lies behind the Government’s proposal for activitie...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 708 c552-3 (Link to this contribution)
In speaking to this group of amendments I wish to raise many of the questions that the noble Barones...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c550-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am moving the amendment to try to find out what the Government mean when they include the activity...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c550 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 39: The qualifying period
Amendment 77
77: Clause 39, page 31, line 28, leave out from "per...
Lord Morris of Handsworth | 708 c555-6 (Link to this contribution)
The issues that underpin Clause 39 need to be explored in terms of whether they will be an incentive...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 708 c555 (Link to this contribution)
The questions for the criteria of acceptance of citizenship include knowledge of background. I have ...
Lord Patten | 708 c554 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Lea of Crondall, inasmuch as anything that helps people t...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 708 c553-4 (Link to this contribution)
I totally understand the difficulty that noble Lords have in visualising how the whole of Clause 39 ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 708 c556-7 (Link to this contribution)
"Volunteering" is a very attractive word today, but I have to say that I go back to the days when, i...
Lord Avebury | 708 c605-7 (Link to this contribution)
By way of background to the amendment, I should perhaps remind the Committee that until 1983, when B...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c607 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to imply that I have remained here through curiosity born of sharing the blood of four ...
Lord Brett | 708 c607-10 (Link to this contribution)
I realise that, looking at Clause 41 the basic intention does not appear obvious. However, the lengt...
Lord Avebury | 708 c610 (Link to this contribution)
If only a small number of children are involved in this matter, why go to such lengths to exclude a ...
Lord Brett | 708 c601-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords for raising this issue concerning the former colony of Hong Kong. I joi...
Lord Avebury | 708 c603 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether the Minister had a chance to read the letters that I sent him, but the case th...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 708 c600-1 (Link to this contribution)
I should like strongly to support my noble friend Lord Avebury in his campaign to right a very consi...
Lord Avebury | 708 c605 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 41: Descent through the female line
Amendment 90A
90A: Clause 41, page 34, leave out lines ...
Lord Brett | 708 c605 (Link to this contribution)
I am feeling slightly wounded. I did not say that I was ignoring the argument. I said that the noble...
Lord Avebury | 708 c605 (Link to this contribution)
That is not sufficient to mollify me, because I am not talking about individual cases, I am talking ...
Lord Brett | 708 c603-4 (Link to this contribution)
On the noble Lord’s last point, people who have chosen to reside in other member states of the Unite...
Lord Avebury | 708 c604 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether we can usefully return to this matter on Report. After all, we have now been a...
Lord Brett | 708 c603 (Link to this contribution)
I note the noble Lord’s comments. It may be that I led him to rise a moment or two before he heard s...
Lord Hylton | 708 c603 (Link to this contribution)
In his reply, the Minister mentioned east African Asians. Would I be correct in deducing from that t...
Lord Brett | 708 c510 (Link to this contribution)
I ask noble Lords if that would be possible.
Lord Avebury | 708 c510 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that we can do that. It is an important point. While I entirely accept the noble Lord’s co...
Lord Avebury | 708 c508-9 (Link to this contribution)
In moving Amendment 45 in my name and that of my noble friend, I shall speak also to Amendment 105A....
Lord Brett | 708 c509-10 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I must resist this amendment. It is a fundamental tenet of our proposed reform of t...
Baroness Hayman | 708 c510 (Link to this contribution)
If it will assist the House, it is possible to return to Amendment 105A in its place on the Marshall...
Lord Avebury | 708 c510 (Link to this contribution)
For the time being, I can see that we are not going to get very far with these amendments. I beg lea...
Lord Avebury | 708 c511 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 37: Application requirements: general
Amendment 46
46: Clause 37, page 27, line 6, after fi...
Lord Avebury | 708 c511-2 (Link to this contribution)
The first amendment in the group maintains the current position whereby the maximum permitted absenc...
Earl of Sandwich | 708 c512 (Link to this contribution)
I want to say one or two words about refugees in this context, although my noble friend Lord Hylton ...
Lord Brett | 708 c510 (Link to this contribution)
I have frequently said that the Government believe that we need to have greater integration of citiz...
Lord Brett | 708 c514 (Link to this contribution)
As I said, the Bill provides a discretion to allow the Secretary of State to overlook periods of abs...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 708 c513 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment as well. I will not go into the details of some of the other issues that I a...
Bishop of Norwich | 708 c512-3 (Link to this contribution)
I support this amendment. It is not hard to understand why those who wish to reside here permanently...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c514 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully to the Minister. As he knows, my name is also attached to the amendment. I...
Lord Brett | 708 c513-4 (Link to this contribution)
Our principal aim is to reform the path to citizenship by creating three clear routes to achieving i...
Lord Avebury | 708 c516-7 (Link to this contribution)
The amendments in this group were designed to highlight the fact that, as the Minister said in windi...
Lord Avebury | 708 c515-6 (Link to this contribution)
That is certainly helpful, and I hope that the noble Earl, Lord Sandwich, is satisfied with that rep...
Lord Avebury | 708 c516 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 48
48: Clause 37, page 27, leave out lines 11 to 14
Lord Avebury | 708 c515 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Sandwich, for his intervention. Could we have a response at so...
Lord Brett | 708 c515 (Link to this contribution)
On the question of the gateway refugees, those which are recognised by the UNHCR before they come to...
Lord Brett | 708 c518 (Link to this contribution)
The path that we set out has both terms. We want to ensure that people coming to this country unders...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c518 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Government accept "interim leave to remain"?
Lord Brett | 708 c517-8 (Link to this contribution)
The central point is that the Government see probationary citizenship as a key part of their vision ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c517 (Link to this contribution)
I would like the Minister to be very clear about the difference between these two nominations. The n...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c518 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has misunderstood my point. He said that the Government would consider an alternative t...
Lord Brett | 708 c518 (Link to this contribution)
With respect to the noble Baroness, I do not believe that that actually explains clearly to the woul...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 708 c518 (Link to this contribution)
I understand, I think, where the Minister is coming from in attaching a normative value to the word ...
Lord Brett | 708 c518 (Link to this contribution)
I am prepared to take on board any suggestions that people have for the name. Those of our colleague...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 708 c518-9 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may come in on this, please, as a former probationary Methodist minister. In probation, if...
Lord Brett | 708 c519 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord makes a very good point. If we could have a word that demonstrates that this is posit...
Lord Avebury | 708 c519 (Link to this contribution)
The discussion on to which we have been diverted, which I hoped would not happen, was whether there ...
Lord Brett | 708 c520 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments, tabled in the name of my noble friend Lord West, make changes to Clauses 37, 38, 4...
Lord Brett | 708 c520 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 50
50: Clause 37, page 27, line 12, after second "leave," insert "a qualifying CTA entitl...
Lord Avebury | 708 c520-2 (Link to this contribution)
We appreciate that these arrangements are necessary so that people who enter the UK from the common ...
Lord Avebury | 708 c547-8 (Link to this contribution)
I suppose that one has to be content with small mercies. I have to thank the Minister for correcting...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c549-50 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 66 to 76
66: Clause 38, page 30, leave out lines 21 to 25 and insert—
"( ) treat A as fu...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 708 c563 (Link to this contribution)
On these Benches we are sympathetic in many ways to the principle of active citizenship. Indeed, it ...
Lord Hylton | 708 c607 (Link to this contribution)
It seems to me that a glance at the Explanatory Notes on Clause 41 can lead to only one conclusion: ...
Lord Hylton | 708 c600 (Link to this contribution)
I pay tribute to the persistence with which the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, has pursued this particula...
Lord Brett | 708 c532 (Link to this contribution)
Under the existing law it is the languages expressed in existing legislation. In future it will be t...
Lord Hylton | 708 c556 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to follow the noble Lord, Lord Morris, in asking for consultation and postponement. Th...
Baroness Hayman | 708 c517 (Link to this contribution)
If the amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 49 or 50 by reason of pre-emption.
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c545 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 57
57: Clause 38, page 29, leave out lines 16 to 18 and insert—
"(c) that, subject to sub...
Lord Avebury | 708 c508 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 45
45: Before Clause 37, insert the following new Clause—
"Probationary citizenship leave...
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