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2007-08

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Education and Skills Bill. Lords amendments. Explanatory Notes Bill 164-EN also published. (vote).
Tuesday, 11 November 2008
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Speaker | 483 c44 (Link to this contribution) I draw the House's attention to the fact that privilege is involved in Lords amendments Nos. 1 to 23...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c81-2 (Link to this contribution) The amendments were introduced by the Government in another place in response to the noble Baronesse...

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Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c85-6 (Link to this contribution) I cannot tell the hon. Gentleman exactly when. As I said, that procurement process is coming to a co...

David Laws | 483 c84-5 (Link to this contribution) I seem to be rising only to welcome U-turns from the Government this evening, and I cannot let this ...

Rob Marris | 483 c85 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the effective abolition of the mandatory key stage 3 test. That was long overdue, and the ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c85 (Link to this contribution) When I see my right hon. Friend the Treasurer of Her Majesty's Household, I know that I need to be r...

David Laws | 483 c85 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell us when the announcement on the key stage 2 contractor will be made?

John Hayes | 483 c83 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister said, the Secretary of State announced that from summer 2009 children would not be r...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c83 (Link to this contribution) I was surprised because in Westminster Hall on the Thursday prior to our making the changes on the T...

Barry Sheerman | 483 c82 (Link to this contribution) I understand that key stage 3 tests will still be able to be taken on a voluntary basis. Will that b...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c82-3 (Link to this contribution) Yes, that will be on a school-by-school basis. If head teachers and heads of department find the key...

Rob Marris | 483 c82 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend clarify something? In amendment No. 170, proposed new subsection (2) would...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c82 (Link to this contribution) Local authorities are, in effect, the ““local education authority””; in some circumstances, we still...

John Hayes | 483 c84 (Link to this contribution) The numbers that I have here are not proportions, but numbers of people. [Interruption.] However, th...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c84 (Link to this contribution) My point was about proportions. There have been significant demographic increases in the numbers in ...

John Hayes | 483 c84 (Link to this contribution) Those are the Government's own figures, and I am sure that the Minister will want to confirm that.

John Hayes | 483 c83 (Link to this contribution) It is a pity that the Minister does not spend more time thinking about the children who have fallen ...

Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 483 c77-8 (Link to this contribution) A school governing body already has the power under section 29(3) of the Education Act 2002 to direc...

Gordon Marsden | 483 c78 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful that my hon. Friend supports the amendments, and I am delighted that the Government ha...

Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 483 c78 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention and for the work that he did in Committee, as well as h...

John Hayes | 483 c78-9 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister said, the amendments deal with the power of a governing body to refer a pupil to edu...

Gordon Marsden | 483 c79 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge the thoughtfulness with which the hon. Gentleman has presented his case, both in Commi...

John Hayes | 483 c79-80 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge that this is a complex area, and the problem is that when we speak of such matters, by...

Speaker | 483 c80 (Link to this contribution) Order. There is a danger here of hon. Members bringing the royal family into these debates, and as h...

Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 483 c80-1 (Link to this contribution) First, I shall put at rest the mind of the hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr. Hayes...

Kelvin Hopkins | 483 c80 (Link to this contribution) I have no intention of talking about the royal family, who behave very well, I am told. I shall say...

Speaker | 483 c81-2 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments Nos. 181, 182, 209 and 210.

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c81 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

David Laws | 483 c74 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman saying that he would remove or amend any part of the existing code of admissio...

Nick Gibb | 483 c74-5 (Link to this contribution) The existing code does need amending and simplifying. Although we certainly agree with the principle...

Lord Mann | 483 c74 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentioned the leafy suburbs, so could he please give me a list for Nottinghamshir...

Nick Gibb | 483 c74 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to start criticising schools in leafy suburbs, but there are many schools across the ...

Speaker | 483 c76 (Link to this contribution) Order. I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman could relate his remarks to the group of amendments that ...

Rob Marris | 483 c76 (Link to this contribution) I am obliged to you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Perhaps I will leave my remarks at that for the moment.

Kelvin Hopkins | 483 c75-6 (Link to this contribution) I want to speak briefly about admissions, which concern me and, I am sure, many other hon. Members. ...

Rob Marris | 483 c76 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Member for Bognor Regis and Littlehampton (Mr. Gibb) that we want every school...

Speaker | 483 c77 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendment No. 169.

Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 483 c77 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 483 c76-7 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting and wide-ranging debate, which you acknowledged in your remark, Madam Dep...

John Hayes | 483 c59 (Link to this contribution) The Minister knows that he has claimed, on the record, that the majority of young people who do not ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c59-60 (Link to this contribution) We have a compulsory school leaving age, and it is compulsory for people under the age of 16 to go t...

Graham Stuart | 483 c57 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to raise that point. Indeed, my hon. Friend the Member for South Holland...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c58-9 (Link to this contribution) What an interesting debate—it reminded me of the Second Reading debate of all those months ago. I am...

Bob Spink | 483 c57 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman as concerned as I am about the reasonable excuses that youngsters who decide n...

David Laws | 483 c61 (Link to this contribution) The nub of it was whether the learning and support agreement could be an alternative to education an...

John Hayes | 483 c60 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the Minister again, but he has helpfully said that SEN might provide th...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c60-1 (Link to this contribution) The agreement, as it is an agreement, would be personalised. It would be individual to that learner ...

John Hayes | 483 c60 (Link to this contribution) It is extremely helpful to have those details supplied on the record. I asked the question so that t...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c60 (Link to this contribution) As an experienced Member of the House, the hon. Gentleman will know that notions of reasonableness a...

Speaker | 483 c49 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments Nos. 25 to 32, 40, 173, 178, 179 and 211...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c49-50 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this second group of amendments that were made in the other place and I believe that we th...

Graham Stuart | 483 c50 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says that if the young person goes back into education, all enforcement action will cea...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c50-1 (Link to this contribution) Naturally, we are concerned about mick-takers, so the process would not go all the way back to the b...

Speaker | 483 c57 (Link to this contribution) Order. If we are to have interventions from either side of the House, that must be done in the norma...

Graham Stuart | 483 c57 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much for that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am aware of your role as protector of Back-Bench...

John Hayes | 483 c51-3 (Link to this contribution) We are pleased to return to our measured consideration of these important matters, which absorbed a ...

Graham Stuart | 483 c56-7 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Member for Castle Point (Bob Spink) that the Bill's provisions are one more at...

Lord Mann | 483 c74 (Link to this contribution) Name them.

Nick Gibb | 483 c74 (Link to this contribution) I could give the hon. Gentleman a list if he wishes. I recommend that he go to Mossbourne academy in...

Nick Gibb | 483 c73-4 (Link to this contribution) I do not remember that. It was many months ago and I have forgotten. The amendment typifies the Lab...

Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 483 c73 (Link to this contribution) I served on the Committee.

Nick Gibb | 483 c73 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Under-Secretary to her new position and to the Dispatch Box to discuss the final stage...

Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 483 c72-3 (Link to this contribution) The amendment is about school admissions. Whenever a new code on school admissions is issued, it mus...

Speaker | 483 c72 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments Nos. 180, 185, 186, 188, 190, 207 and 21...

Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 483 c72 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c71-2 (Link to this contribution) We have held discussions with the Independent Schools Council and reached agreement on the three mai...

David Laws | 483 c71 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister confident that communication between the Department and the independent schools grou...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c71 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. The Independent Schools Councils represents many independent schools. We have a good relatio...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c70-1 (Link to this contribution) The White Paper was drawn up in the context of ensuring that we improved the quality of alternative ...

Nick Gibb | 483 c70 (Link to this contribution) Does not the debate reveal that a coach and horses has been driven through the Minister's policy? Th...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c70 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that it is a result of a rush to closure or that we need to enter into the debate on i...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c70 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend follows such matters closely, and he will know that as a result of the White Paper we...

Kelvin Hopkins | 483 c70 (Link to this contribution) I am digressing somewhat from the debate, but I wanted to make a point that I have made before to my...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c69 (Link to this contribution) This brief debate was an opportunity for the hon. Member for Bognor Regis and Littlehampton (Mr. Gib...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c69-70 (Link to this contribution) Local authorities have a large amount of delegated freedoms, contrary to the narrative we sometimes ...

Nick Gibb | 483 c69 (Link to this contribution) Am I wrong to be astonished that the Minister's Department did not know that 150 local authorities w...

Rob Marris | 483 c68 (Link to this contribution) I want to focus on amendments Nos. 150 and 152. Amendment No. 150 inserts a new clause entitled ““Co...

Nick Gibb | 483 c66-8 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister said, the Lords amendments reverse the provisions in the Bill that transfer registra...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c64-6 (Link to this contribution) It changed in the eloquence with which it was put. The changes are being made because chapter 1 of p...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c64 (Link to this contribution) Excellent. I am pleased to hear that. I think that it was in Portslade, in my hon. Friend's constitu...

Celia Barlow | 483 c64 (Link to this contribution) I regret that due to proceedings on other Government legislation, I was unable to hear my right hon....

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c63 (Link to this contribution) Yes, some are, but if a person is under 18 and resident in this country, they will have to comply wi...

David Laws | 483 c64 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister tell us how the reasoned argument changed between the Commons Committee stage and ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c64 (Link to this contribution) This group of Government amendments to chapters 1 and 2 of part 4 of the Bill put into effect the co...

Speaker | 483 c64 (Link to this contribution) With this we may discuss Lords amendments Nos. 42 to 166, 192 to 206, 212 and 215.

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c64 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Graham Stuart | 483 c63 (Link to this contribution) The children of Ministers and other people on high incomes will find it much easier to have a gap ye...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c63 (Link to this contribution) Well, my daughter went on an excellent gap year to Mauritania, and she got an awful lot out of it. S...

Graham Stuart | 483 c63 (Link to this contribution) Some are.

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c63 (Link to this contribution) If the person is under 18, which most people on gap years are not—

Graham Stuart | 483 c62 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is right to say that we all aspire for the diploma to be successful. That does not stop...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c61-2 (Link to this contribution) I think that it is possible for a local authority, if someone has particular support needs, to seque...

David Laws | 483 c63 (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister not seen the recent comments of the president of the Association of Colleges, who p...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c62-3 (Link to this contribution) Certainly, we are taking steps to ensure that diplomas are a good option for young people right from...

Graham Stuart | 483 c63 (Link to this contribution) That is ridiculous.

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c63 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, one or two individuals will have a different view. The Under-Secretary of State for Childre...

Bob Spink | 483 c48 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to speak about criminalising young people. It is in the nature of things for 16 and 1...

Nick Gibb | 483 c47-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that response, which is on the record and will be helpful to those outside. Let m...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c49 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Kelvin Hopkins | 483 c42 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that independent schools already get a very generous subsidy from th...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c41-2 (Link to this contribution) The motion in the name of my right hon. Friend the Financial Secretary to the Treasury is necessary ...

Nick Gibb | 483 c41 (Link to this contribution) The Minister for Schools and Learners gave a disappointingly short introduction to the motion. I hop...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c42 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend must be careful to be fully cognisant of the whole range of independent schools, not ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c44 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Nick Gibb | 483 c45-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that clear explanation of the group of Lords amendments. He cited ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c46-7 (Link to this contribution) Let me relieve the hon. Gentleman of his pain. The appeals would be heard by a general regulatory ch...

David Laws | 483 c91-2 (Link to this contribution) Although I enjoyed the speech by the hon. Member for Bognor Regis and Littlehampton (Mr. Gibb), I no...

Nick Gibb | 483 c93 (Link to this contribution) This is the point, is it not? Schools are probably already doing that, but what burdens heads and ot...

Rob Marris | 483 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) I declare a sort of interest in that, as you know, Madam Deputy Speaker, my wife was the head of a p...

Lord Cormack | 483 c90-1 (Link to this contribution) I promise that I shall not attempt to speak any longer than I did last Wednesday, but I would like t...

David Laws | 483 c93 (Link to this contribution) Surely the issue, as Lord Elton put it, is whether there is sufficient flexibility in the amendment....

Lord Cormack | 483 c93 (Link to this contribution) The point is that this must be done. It will become a legal obligation. It is yet another legislativ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c88 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way one more time?

David Laws | 483 c88 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Nick Gibb | 483 c88 (Link to this contribution) I will not. The hon. Gentleman will soon have his moment. As my noble Friend Lady Morris, who speak...

Speaker | 483 c86 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments Nos. 172, 183, 184, 187, 189, 208 and 21...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) These are the amendments introduced in the other place by the Government in response to amendments t...

Nick Gibb | 483 c87 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister has told us twice, the amendments were all tabled in another place by the Liberal De...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c87 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way, because this might speed things up. Does he not ...

Nick Gibb | 483 c88 (Link to this contribution) This particular amendment was introduced by the Liberal Democrats, but I will return to Lord Elton i...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c88 (Link to this contribution) Did Lord Elton support the amendment?

Nick Gibb | 483 c88 (Link to this contribution) I have given the Minister the opinion of Lord Elton. This goes to the crux of our concern about thes...

Rob Marris | 483 c86 (Link to this contribution) Can my right hon. Friend tell me the appropriate date when those appropriate amendments to the appro...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c86 (Link to this contribution) As I said in my speech, the amendments will come into effect by regulation shortly, so they will hav...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c86 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Speaker | 483 c93 (Link to this contribution) Order. Mr. David Laws.

David Laws | 483 c93 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am sure Members would not want to bring the discussion of this am...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made the case very well, and I do not need to detain the House for long. We h...

David Laws | 483 c93 (Link to this contribution) We all note the clear divisions in the Conservative party between the views expressed in this place ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 483 c70 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my right hon. Friend about the need for registration, but is the lack of state provisio...

Nick Gibb | 483 c71 (Link to this contribution) That is the Independent Schools Inspectorate.

Speaker | 483 c44 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments Nos. 2 to 23, 33 to 39, 174 to 177 and 1...

Nick Gibb | 483 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way again; the right hon. Gentleman will have another opportunity to speak when he c...

David Laws | 483 c68 (Link to this contribution) I would like briefly to welcome the 180-degree U-turn in Government policy reflected by the amendmen...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c44-5 (Link to this contribution) I would like to speak first to amendments Nos. 1 to 23, and 38. I welcome the careful scrutiny that ...

David Laws | 483 c54-5 (Link to this contribution) I know that the Minister will be disappointed if I do not speak to this group of amendments, especia...

Bob Spink | 483 c55-6 (Link to this contribution) This is indeed a controversial set of amendments. Of course we all want to improve the life chances ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 483 c48-9 (Link to this contribution) We will return to those points in the next set of amendments, so I will deal with them then, rather ...

Subjects

Assessments

Disclosure of information

Codes of practice

Admissions

Curriculum

Appeals

Age

Costs

Civil proceedings

Custodial treatment

Fees and charges

Governing bodies

Inspections

Enforcement

House of Lords

House of Commons

Fines

Home education

Personal records

Private education

Pupil exclusions

Pupils

National curriculum tests

Part-time education

Registration

Schools

Special educational needs

Training

Regulation

School leaving

Sixth form education

School councils

Connexions Service

Day release

Specialised diplomas

Learning and support agreements

Ofsted

Legislation

Education and Skills Bill 2007-08

Contains statistics

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