Parliamentary search - European Union (Amendment) Bill

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2007-08

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European Union (Amendment) Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 40-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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Lord Anderson of Swansea | 701 c1066-7 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has done the Committee a service by citing those important judgments, which all lead ...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1069-70 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support a point made by the noble Lord, Lord Owen, which nobody else has picked up, but wh...

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Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1068-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to speak for long, but I welcome this debate and thank the noble Lord, Lord Blackwell,...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c1071 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord aware that one of the great pluses of the treaty of Lisbon protocols is that, when...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1070 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment No. 159, which is in this group. This has been a fascinating debate. I th...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1070 (Link to this contribution) I know that we are in a hurry for the dinner hour, but I would like to congratulate the noble Lord, ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1072-3 (Link to this contribution) This has been a long and very interesting debate. I thank all Members of the Committee who have part...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 701 c1061-2 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord accept that there is only a potential conflict? Can he give examples, as the nob...

Lord Owen | 701 c1061 (Link to this contribution) I know that it is very difficult for noble Lords who have spent quite a lot of their time in the Com...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c1062 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord’s interpretation of the nature of the Luxembourg compromise is not relev...

Lord Owen | 701 c1062 (Link to this contribution) I do not claim there to be a precedent. I claim the fact that this potential conflict exists. It is ...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c1063 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord seems to be under a misapprehension. When judges in this country have to decide what ...

Lord Owen | 701 c1062-3 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord would look at the debate in the French Assembly, he will know that it was said tha...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c1065 (Link to this contribution) I take it that the noble Lord has sat down and that I am not interrupting him.

Lord Owen | 701 c1063-5 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord is saying that when the justices make the case they do not bear in mind the argume...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c1065-6 (Link to this contribution) I should tell the Committee about a case I was involved in as lately as last Friday in the Court of ...

Lord Owen | 701 c1065 (Link to this contribution) Yes.

Lord Bach | 701 c1077 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. In moving that Motion, I suggest that the Committee stag...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c1076-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her response to the debate, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Slynn, a...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1073-6 (Link to this contribution) When I said it might not do it very often, I was referring to the future. It might not do it; it mig...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1073 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that in the debate to which she referred, she had to confess that the Counci...

Lord Slynn of Hadley | 701 c1061 (Link to this contribution) They can violate European law.

Lord Owen | 701 c1061 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord may be correct that it is a violation, but there is a conflict here. If i...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 701 c1061 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, the argument put forward by the noble Lord is that the domestic court can overri...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c1060 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord aware that he is describing litigation under the German written constitution, whic...

Lord Owen | 701 c1060-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that judgment and I do not believe it is accepted in Germany either. I think that th...

Lord Slynn of Hadley | 701 c1061 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord accept that, although under German law this was all done, as he says, in a lawfu...

Lord Owen | 701 c1061 (Link to this contribution) They cannot change European law, but they can challenge the interpretation of European law within th...

Lord Slynn of Hadley | 701 c1057 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the noble Lord on making the issue that he raises as clear as it could possibly be. T...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c1057-9 (Link to this contribution) It would be presumptuous of me to speak at any length after the noble and learned Lord, Lord Slynn o...

Lord Owen | 701 c1059-60 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to intervene, particularly after two speeches by a noble Lord and a noble and learned Lor...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c1055-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 115: 115: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause— ““United Kingdom co...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1055 (Link to this contribution) That is all I needed to hear and, on that basis, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1053-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity. The noble Lord is normally very persuasive. We have been very su...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1054-5 (Link to this contribution) We are in the realms of the unpredictable, and it is difficult to contemplate the circumstances in w...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1052 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 84: 84: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after “...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1052-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 94: 94: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) any provi...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1051-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to almost everyone who took part in this short debate, particularly to the Minister fo...

Baroness Ludford | 701 c1045 (Link to this contribution) I was rather surprised at what the noble Lord has just said. I agree that member states should be mo...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1045 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is usually spot-on with his interventions, but I think he is a little out of line wit...

Lord Dykes | 701 c1044-5 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the noble Lord will forgive me for introducing an extraneous comparison. He mentioned a ...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1044 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Radice, asked what the purpose of this amendment was. It is to probe the arrang...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 701 c1043-4 (Link to this contribution) I am not affected by whether my erstwhile noble friend moved his amendment for particular reasons; h...

Lord Radice | 701 c1043 (Link to this contribution) I see that I have three noble friends who want to get involved in this debate. It is true that the C...

Lord Radice | 701 c1043 (Link to this contribution) I agree that it is useful to discuss that, but should we do so on the basis of an amendment which wo...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1043 (Link to this contribution) Under the treaties, the chief financial officer of the Commission is responsible. Surely the Commiss...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1042 (Link to this contribution) It provides an opportunity to probe what we are going to do about the continual misapplication of fu...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1049-51 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to all who have spoken. I am aware that we had quite a lengthy debate earlie...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1048-9 (Link to this contribution) I thought that the speech of the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, was very sensible, so I am sl...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1046 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, will of course have a right of reply at the end of the deb...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1047 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to intervene, but the remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Dykes, are too tempting. ...

Lord Dykes | 701 c1046-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Lord President for that. As the noble Lord, Lord Tomlinson, said, if we give wa...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1045 (Link to this contribution) Some of us do not have confidence in the existing arrangements and we are not sure that the proposed...

Lord Dykes | 701 c1045-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Radice, for asking such a pertinent question of the noble Lord...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1046 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry—

Lord Dykes | 701 c1046 (Link to this contribution) I am going to rest on the suggestion of the noble Lord, Lord Tomlinson, although he is no longer in ...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1036-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for the good-natured and thorough way in which he sought to answer som...

Lord Bach | 701 c1036 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has paid me—I do not know whether he meant to—one of the greatest compliments that I ...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1042 (Link to this contribution) I agree that this was not mentioned in the report but the noble Lord’s noble friend Lord Tomlinson s...

Lord Radice | 701 c1042 (Link to this contribution) I was asking the noble Lord to explain his amendment, not what the noble Lord, Lord Tomlinson, said....

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1039-42 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 79: 79: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 2...

Lord Radice | 701 c1042 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has tempted me to reply, as he mentioned the Select Committee report. However, perhap...

Baroness Quin | 701 c1038 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has mentioned biofuels on a number of occasions. Would he at least welcome the latest...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1037 (Link to this contribution) If I have followed the logic of the noble Lord’s argument, he is saying that we should return to a p...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1037-8 (Link to this contribution) No, the logic is the exact opposite. We should be realists. We should see that if we want to develop...

Lord Rowlands | 701 c1034 (Link to this contribution) Is my noble friend describing this chapter or article as a purely consolidation measure and not one ...

Lord Bach | 701 c1035-6 (Link to this contribution) We do not think that it does. I called it Article 100; I think that we are talking about the same an...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c1036 (Link to this contribution) Why not?

Lord Bach | 701 c1036 (Link to this contribution) Because the phrase ““a spirit of solidarity”” is a repetition of a phrase that appears in Article 2 ...

Lord Bach | 701 c1034 (Link to this contribution) I am cautious in how I reply, but my understanding is that that is the position. There are no propos...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c1034 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I am confused and muddled; the noble Lord is, as always, making a very reasonable case for t...

Lord Bach | 701 c1034-5 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord misses very little. The noble Lord, Lord Howell, could not resist raising that point ...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c1035 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his helpful reassurances but can he explain exactly the language in Article...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1030-1 (Link to this contribution) Well, if it was Morrison, never mind; it was the same nationalist argument. When we joined the Europ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c1031 (Link to this contribution) No one is arguing that we should not co-operate. The point is that in all these agreements we are ab...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1030 (Link to this contribution) I recall reading that in 1950, when the first west European institution—the old European Coal and St...

Lord Radice | 701 c1030 (Link to this contribution) That was Morrison.

Lord Blackwell | 701 c1032 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has raised this again. Does he accept that there is a difference between an agreement...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c1032 (Link to this contribution) It is not different in kind if we have accepted it as an international obligation. It is different i...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1031 (Link to this contribution) The underlying difference between us is probably how far one starts from a gut mistrust of co-operat...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1032-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not going to intervene but I have to put one brief and simple question to the Minist...

Lord Bach | 701 c1033-4 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 70 refers to the provisions in the Lisbon treaty that would create a specific legal ba...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c1026 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the noble Lord has done a lot of research into his amendment, but will he answer one ...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c1026 (Link to this contribution) I am talking about what this Bill or the treaty of Lisbon does; I am not talking about other obligat...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c1026 (Link to this contribution) My question is whether the amendment is compatible with our international obligations under the Inte...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c1026-7 (Link to this contribution) Nothing in my amendment changes any obligations that we may or may not have. It simply refers to cha...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 701 c1027-8 (Link to this contribution) This short debate has illustrated the huge gap between the ideas behind some of the criticisms of th...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c1028-9 (Link to this contribution) I find it quite extraordinary listening to the noble Lord talk about Alice in Wonderland. The two am...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c1029 (Link to this contribution) It is not an intervention. I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Lea, had sat down.

Lord Lea of Crondall | 701 c1029 (Link to this contribution) I paused before I sat down, because I thought that the noble Lord was getting up. I shall just make ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c1030 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Committee; I thought that the noble Lord had sat down, and I was making my own sp...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c1025-6 (Link to this contribution) I should like to add to the already formidable list of issues raised by my noble friend Lord Howell ...

Lord Rowlands | 701 c1023-5 (Link to this contribution) I am prompted to intervene by a column I read a while ago in Time magazine by the noble Lord, Lord L...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1022-3 (Link to this contribution) There is, of course, the renewable fuels obligation, which we ourselves have in place. Beyond that t...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c1022 (Link to this contribution) Is there not an EU requirement that up to 5 per cent of the content of the petrol that people put in...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1021 (Link to this contribution) I am talking about worldwide, so I am talking about the American switch, and certainly the European ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1021 (Link to this contribution) I followed the biofuels point from a distance, but I understood that it was American subsidies for b...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1020-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 70: 70: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 2...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1020 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Viscount Trenchard | 701 c1067-8 (Link to this contribution) I, too, am not a lawyer, but I nevertheless support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Blackwell....

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1071-2 (Link to this contribution) Yes, the European Court has the final word—I am not quite sure what point the noble Lord was trying ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1036 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister be amused to hear that he reminds me of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay o...

Lord Dykes | 701 c1029 (Link to this contribution) This intervention is too long.

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c1068 (Link to this contribution) We have had an extremely interesting contribution from the noble Lord, Lord Owen. It produced strong...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1055 (Link to this contribution) I have two examples. I used the one about IT software; the other was that if we were to withdraw fro...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1038-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome all movements on this front. In fact, the curious situation is that the British Government...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c1031-2 (Link to this contribution) I, too, some time in the past had something to do with energy policy, and at some moments this after...

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