Parliamentary search - European Union (Amendment) Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

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701 c131-94

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2007-08

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Foreign and Commonwealth Office

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber

European Union (Amendment) Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 40-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c153-4 (Link to this contribution) The debate so far has taken a direction which I had not anticipated. Until the noble Lord, Lord Good...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c150 (Link to this contribution) I sympathise with the noble Lord’s position but we are dealing with the powers of the Court of Justi...

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Lord Bach | 701 c150 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Lord will give way. Of course, he is entitled to speak as often as he likes in Com...

Lord Goodhart | 701 c151-3 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the noble and learned Lord, Lord Slynn of Hadley. He has been a personal fr...

Lord Slynn of Hadley | 701 c150-1 (Link to this contribution) In view of what has been said from the government Front Bench, I should like to keep both questions ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c149 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble and learned Lord could also help me; I found his speech very useful. I bear a scar...

Lord Slynn of Hadley | 701 c149 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, certainly; once the court has spoken, the law is binding. However, through the c...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c150 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble and learned Lord answer two questions, which arise from his eminent intervention? He s...

Lord Slynn of Hadley | 701 c149-50 (Link to this contribution) During my time there I never had any feeling that my colleagues were driven by political motivation ...

Lord Slynn of Hadley | 701 c147-8 (Link to this contribution) I was a member of the European Court of Justice for 11 years. I declare that interest without the ov...

Lord Campbell of Alloway | 701 c147 (Link to this contribution) Lord Denning made the point some time ago that anything that this court interpreted as within its ju...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c145-7 (Link to this contribution) In our previous proceedings, the noble Lord, Lord Owen, asked the very important question: what are ...

Lord Waddington | 701 c144-5 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend. One need say no more at this stage than that the wording is, ...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c144 (Link to this contribution) Does not my noble friend agree that what the noble Lord has just read out rather supports my noble f...

Lord Waddington | 701 c144 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that the noble Lord is right, but perhaps I will be able to develop on that in a momen...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c144 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, proceed to the second paragraph on Article 1 in the protocol. ...

Lord Waddington | 701 c143-4 (Link to this contribution) The message seems to be that we do not have much to worry about, but that is inconsistent with the w...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c143 (Link to this contribution) I think that the question was: do I appreciate that? I appreciate the right of the noble Lord to int...

Lord Campbell of Alloway | 701 c143 (Link to this contribution) I wish to ask a short question. Does the noble Lord appreciate that it is not a question of extendin...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 701 c148-9 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the noble and learned Lord a further question; like other noble Lords, I have foun...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c142 (Link to this contribution) I accept that. I was referring to your Lordships’ Select Committee on the European Communities.

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c142 (Link to this contribution) I remind the noble Lord that the chairman of the committee is the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mance...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c142-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sure noble Lords will understand that I have almost forgotten what I was going to say. However,...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c141 (Link to this contribution) I shall very briefly intervene in this debate. The noble Lord, Lord Lamont, made only one point on w...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c141-2 (Link to this contribution) But you have infinitely better quality reports, which are argued with great cogency and clarity. Whe...

Lord Kingsland | 701 c141 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way with his customary generosity. I can answer his ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c142 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to intervene but I do not wish the noble Lord accidentally to assume anything about the i...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c142 (Link to this contribution) I have no intention of filibustering in these proceedings but the noble Lord must not say that the r...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c142 (Link to this contribution) Can I get back into this because I thought I had the Floor?

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c142 (Link to this contribution) My noble friends on my left are saying that there is no possibility of my remarks being construed in...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c140-1 (Link to this contribution) I am of course aware of the distinction made by the noble Lord and I am grateful for his interventio...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c140 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the noble Lord is aware of the difference between new rights against EU instit...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c137-40 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend on the Front Bench and support Amendments Nos. 7 and 87. I do so with some...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c135-7 (Link to this contribution) I was about to ask the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, a question, but I can now do it by explaining my ...

Lord Kingsland | 701 c131-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7: 7: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 1, ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c131 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c178 (Link to this contribution) I give rather lukewarm support to this somewhat lukewarm amendment. Before dealing with the amendmen...

Lord Kingsland | 701 c166-7 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this remarkable debate on the charter....

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c165 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is right and, of course, knows far more about the workings of the court than I could ...

Lord Williamson of Horton | 701 c171-2 (Link to this contribution) I made a declaration of interest at the start of the Committee stage and I do not think I need to re...

Lord Kinnock | 701 c173-5 (Link to this contribution) I was intrigued by the repeated references of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, to the prospect of what he ...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 701 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) In the previous debate, the contribution of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Slynn, elevated our dis...

Lord Grenfell | 701 c177 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to intervene. I assure the Committee that I shall intervene very rarely in the Committee ...

Lord Dykes | 701 c175-7 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Grenfell, who may want to intervene now. If he does, I will give...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c164-5 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether I am right in saying that recently in the Bosphorus airline case the Strasbourg cou...

Lord Tugendhat | 701 c180-1 (Link to this contribution) Over 20 years ago, I was the commissioner in charge of the budget. Of course, much has changed in th...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Pearson. I enjoyed him getting his canards in...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) I fancy that the noble Lord would agree with the other three noble Lords that we really need not wor...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c178 (Link to this contribution) You won’t in a minute.

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate, particularly for the expertise and ...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c182-3 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord had controlled himself, he would have had the answer by now, because I was just co...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c182 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord said that the challenges to the accounts were mythical. Can he remind the Committee w...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c181-2 (Link to this contribution) The debate has reminded me of my 15 years as a member of both the Budget Committee and the Budgetary...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c178 (Link to this contribution) I meant the noble Lords, Lord Williamson, Lord Kinnock and Lord Dykes. I apologise to the noble Lord...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c178 (Link to this contribution) I have not spoken yet on this one.

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c155 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, whose asperity I enjoy. Does the noble Lord agree that his party ha...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c155-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is absolutely right—of course we support the rule of law. However, there is another p...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 701 c156 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. This is the third or fourth time, on the first ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c155 (Link to this contribution) I say to the noble Lord, Lord Hannay—I have to be careful about asperity of speech—that I thought th...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c154-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Having sat and listened to my noble and learned frie...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c155 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may—

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c154 (Link to this contribution) I was fascinated by what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Slynn, had to say and was sorry that his e...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c154 (Link to this contribution) I notice some laughter from the Liberal Benches. They are so pro-European that they cannot think of ...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c162 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness said that all the articles can be traced. Where does Article 13 of the charter co...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c162-4 (Link to this contribution) I can tell the noble Lord where every single article comes from. I am very happy to provide that inf...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c162 (Link to this contribution) I thought that the noble Lord had sat down and I did not catch his last sentence. It is not right to...

Lord Campbell of Alloway | 701 c162 (Link to this contribution) I apologise and thank the noble Baroness for giving way. This is a very short point. It is not a que...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c159-62 (Link to this contribution) This has been an interesting and diverse debate. I am not entirely surprised to find that it ranged ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c158-9 (Link to this contribution) If there are problems with having only six days, we on these Benches would be quite happy to extend ...

Lord McIntosh of Haringey | 701 c158 (Link to this contribution) Is there any space at all between filibustering and railroading?

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c157-8 (Link to this contribution) The Leader of the House is always extraordinarily accommodating, courteous and helpful in Committee....

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c157 (Link to this contribution) I want to intervene on the word ““railroading””, because I want it to be clear in Hansard that, befo...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c156-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall try to deal very briefly with that. The Government may have been wrong, but we stood on a pl...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness will now see that there is a great thirst for her letters, and we are asking for ...

Lord Roper | 701 c193 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I misheard the noble Lord, but the high representative is not going to be a member of the Eu...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c193 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but the Foreign Affairs Council is a child of the former general council. The General Af...

Lord Roper | 701 c193 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord misunderstands. The Lisbon treaty formalises the European Council, which...

Lord Bach | 701 c194 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that debate on Amendment No. 9 be adjourned. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Mot...

Lord Bach | 701 c194 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House be resumed. In moving the Motion, perhaps I may suggest that the Commit...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c184 (Link to this contribution) That may indeed be a somewhat hopeful description of the Court of Auditors, but it is not working. T...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c184 (Link to this contribution) I dispute the fact that it is not working; the Court of Auditors does its job very well. Members of ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c184 (Link to this contribution) But the Commission is still responsible for all the expenditure. The Commission does not have to go ...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 701 c187 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord is so nervous about the abolition of obligatory expenditure, why, during the conve...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c187-8 (Link to this contribution) That is all to do with the common agricultural policy and the track record. We all know where we are...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c188-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 1, ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c184 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the noble Lord is able to support the allegations that he just made. I doubt that he is....

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c184 (Link to this contribution) The Commission is technically responsible. I am not saying that it is doing this, but under the trea...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c185-6 (Link to this contribution) That is not the allegation that I was referring to. If noble Lords look at Hansard, it will be very ...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c186-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been such an important debate. I am grateful to everyone who has participated, pa...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 701 c190 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has made an assertion. Will he kindly clothe it in fact? It is no use simply assertin...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c190-1 (Link to this contribution) One way in which I could prove it is by pointing out that a great many regulations and laws have pou...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c189 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt, but I thought the noble Lord would want to know that the noble Lord, Lord W...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c189-90 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely sorry to hear that. He is an extremely wise contributor to these issues. He has writt...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 701 c192 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Baroness circulate the letter a little more widely? It does not follow that some of u...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c192 (Link to this contribution) The letters that I have circulated went to everybody who participated and everybody I could think of...

Lord Dykes | 701 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) How can the noble Lord reassure us by comparing the small country of Switzerland, which has a presid...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c192 (Link to this contribution) I realise that I was opening myself up to that intervention, but the argument cuts either way. If th...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c191 (Link to this contribution) I have a feeling that we are confusing efficiency and effectiveness. Those who support this treaty a...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c191 (Link to this contribution) It is a lovely distinction and I respect it, but when it comes to bottom-up democracy and the demand...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c167-71 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8: 8: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 1, ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c155 (Link to this contribution) I shall make this point and then I shall give way. The argument of the noble Lord, Lord Pearson, was...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is right: I should have said Council of Ministers, not the European Council. It is pe...

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