Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Amendment 91 negatived on division (32 votes to 31). Part 2 of 2 records.
Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
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Debate on bills on Tuesday, 26 February 2008,
in the House of Lords.
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699 c634-48 
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2007-08
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Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Brought from the Commons. In two volumes. (Explanatory Note HL Bill 16-EN published).
Wednesday, 9 January 2008
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Wednesday, 9 January 2008
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Bach | 699 c636 (Link to this contribution)
Government Amendment No. 89A is in this group. The background is that my right honourable friend the...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c636 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 89:
89: Clause 17, page 12, line 17, leave out ““in any part of the United Kin...
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Lord Bach | 699 c636 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 83A:
83A: Clause 15, page 11, line 5, leave out ““in any part of the United Ki...
Lord Bach | 699 c634-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 82A to 82ZA:
82A: Schedule 6, page 219, line 30, leave out paragraph 1 and i...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c638 (Link to this contribution)
I am of course grateful to the Minister for his reply, but this is a summary consideration of offenc...
Lord Bach | 699 c637-8 (Link to this contribution)
This new clause proposes a significant extension of magistrates’ sentencing powers. The noble Lord, ...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c637 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 90:
90: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause—
““Increase in maximu...
Lord Bach | 699 c637 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 89A and 89B:
89A: Clause 17, page 12, line 17, leave out ““in any part of th...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c637 (Link to this contribution)
I do. In those circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn...
Lord Bach | 699 c640 (Link to this contribution)
Let me make the position clear. It is on the statute book. It needs to be brought up to date with th...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c640 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister makes it sound as though I just made a major attack on the magistracy. That is surely n...
Lord Bach | 699 c640 (Link to this contribution)
It is certainly a reason, because one day custody plus may be brought in. Another reason is that we ...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c640 (Link to this contribution)
In that case, why is custody plus the main reason for opposing my amendment?
Lord Bach | 699 c639-40 (Link to this contribution)
I hope to respond in as nuanced a way as the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, moved his amendment. Our Cl...
Lord Bach | 699 c641 (Link to this contribution)
On this rather less dramatic but more nuanced amendment, as the noble Lord described it, we have mor...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c641 (Link to this contribution)
So the real reason is not custody plus; it is because the Minister thinks that more people would be ...
Lord Bach | 699 c641 (Link to this contribution)
I would hope that the noble Lord, Lord Henley, heard me, but if he did not, let me repeat myself. Ou...
Lord Henley | 699 c641 (Link to this contribution)
I did not hear it.
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c648 (Link to this contribution)
The fact that I was nodding from a sedentary position should not be taken as assenting.
Lord Kingsland | 699 c648 (Link to this contribution)
It certainly suggests a degree of boredom very close to sleep.
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c648 (Link to this contribution)
I want to assure him that I will speed the protocol to him so that he can read it as quickly as poss...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c648 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful. It is extremely satisfying that we have been able to end on such a harmonious no...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c648 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister’s reply suggests that the most important part of the problem is administrative co-ordin...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c647-8 (Link to this contribution)
I hinted that I accepted that more needs to be done to ensure that both services integrate their eff...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c647 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply. Could he say something more on uncertainty about r...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c646-7 (Link to this contribution)
This has been an extremely interesting debate, which I accept may be wider than the clause in the Bi...
Lord Ramsbotham | 699 c645-6 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, and especially his last remarks on where this clause gets ...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c644-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 92:
92: Clause 27, page 19, line 17, at end insert—
““( ) For the avoidance of...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c643-4 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot fault the Minister on the clarity of his response, which I entirely understand although I c...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 699 c642 (Link to this contribution)
This provision takes up more than 90 lines of legislation. When the Minister comes to reply, will he...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c642-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry that the clause does not lend itself warmly to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mayhew, a...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c641-2 (Link to this contribution)
I must admit, I find myself in a state of deep occlusion. I believe that the only way that I can cle...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c642 (Link to this contribution)
Clauses 21 to 23 concern curfew on remand being used as custodial time. We are concerned at the prop...
Lord Kingsland | 699 c639 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 91:
91: Clause 20, leave out Clause 20 and insert the following new Clause—
““...
Lord Bach | 699 c648 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
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