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Children and Young Persons Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 14 January 2008, in the House of Lords.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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697 c387-460GC 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Children, Schools and Families
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Related items
Children and Young Persons Bill (HL). (Explanatory Notes HL Bill 8-EN published).
Wednesday, 14 November 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c443-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords for supporting this important amendment. The Minister said that this issue c...
Baroness Greengross | 697 c446GC (Link to this contribution) I support this important amendment and I have put my name to it. I do so partly as chair of the All-...

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Lord Williamson of Horton | 697 c455GC (Link to this contribution) I support very strongly these two amendments put down by my noble friend Lady Meacher and the amendm...
Lord Judd | 697 c394GC (Link to this contribution) I put my name to this amendment because we are dealing with children whose lives are by definition a...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c393GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Reviews for social...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c424-5GC (Link to this contribution) It is hardly necessary for me to add my voice to those who have already supported the amendments. Th...
Lord Ramsbotham | 697 c440GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may say that this issue will be covered in the report from the Independent Asylum Commissi...
Lord Adonis | 697 c397-8GC (Link to this contribution) The issue that we are discussing is important and, as the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, said, I refer...
Lord Adonis | 697 c404-5GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may begin by clarifying the remarks that I made a moment ago in response to the noble Earl...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c422-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to register my support for the amendments of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, and I app...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 697 c447GC (Link to this contribution) When I was young there was a group called the ““Hell’s Grannies””. Under the amendment—which I suppo...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 697 c455GC (Link to this contribution) I was surprised that there was nothing in the Bill about healthcare. That is a crucial part of the p...
Lord Ramsbotham | 697 c454-5GC (Link to this contribution) I lent my name to the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, for the very reasons that...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c456-7GC (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments. The level of conduct disorder in this group of children is extraordinari...
Lord Adonis | 697 c457-60GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may start in my role as fact-provider-in-chief. The picture before us here is one of much ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c457GC (Link to this contribution) I shall detain the Committee for literally half a minute. The point has been made many times over, b...
Baroness Meacher | 697 c460GC (Link to this contribution) As a Grand Committee, we owe our apologies to the staff here as we have overrun very considerably. I...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 697 c460GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until Wednesday 16 January at 3.45 pm.
Lord Judd | 697 c387GC (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 14: 14: Before Clause 7, insert the follow...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 697 c396GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment but also the wise words of the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth—this might not b...
Baroness Meacher | 697 c396-7GC (Link to this contribution) I was not planning to speak to this amendment but perhaps I may make one point. Speaking as someone ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c393GC (Link to this contribution) So people beyond those involved in the care will know what is going on. This service is not understo...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 697 c390-1GC (Link to this contribution) I want to make two points in support of both amendments. I recognise that local authorities have to ...
Lord Judd | 697 c389GC (Link to this contribution) In the spirit of constructive dialogue that I am sure the Minister would agree has characterised thi...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 697 c425GC (Link to this contribution) Everyone has made the arguments very forcefully. I have before me the speech made by my noble friend...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c423GC (Link to this contribution) It goes without question that I also support the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Walms...
Lord Adonis | 697 c426-9GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 21 in the name of my noble friend Lady Massey raises the vital issue of relatives and ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 697 c435-6GC (Link to this contribution) I have no expectation of any positive response from the Minister on this. I am sad when I say that b...
Lord Ramsbotham | 697 c435GC (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as a member of the Independent Asylum Commission, which is due to report later...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 697 c433-4GC (Link to this contribution) I am conscious that the Minister is in difficulty here because other government departments have an ...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c432-3GC (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the amendment. I was grateful to the Minister for his helpful letter following Se...
Lord Judd | 697 c432GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot think of a more important amendment for our deliberations than this one. I was previously a...
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c440GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c442GC (Link to this contribution) I put my name to Amendment No. 14, which was withdrawn in favour of Amendment No. 22A, so of course ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c398GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his comments and thank all noble Lords who supported the amendment and who ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c402-3GC (Link to this contribution) We seem to have covered quite a range of amendments, which are scattered all over the agenda, but I ...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 697 c403GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments in principle. Clearly, it is very important to keep children together if on...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 697 c400-1GC (Link to this contribution) I support Amendment No. 17 and shall speak to Amendments Nos. 53 and 71, which are in my name and th...
Lord Judd | 697 c401-2GC (Link to this contribution) I have put my name to Amendment No. 17 and therefore perhaps I may be forgiven for speaking at this ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 697 c404GC (Link to this contribution) I confess to feeling a degree of exasperation, as I am just sorry that these amendments need to be t...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c403-4GC (Link to this contribution) I support all that has been said, as I do the principle behind the amendments. However, there must b...
Lord Rix | 697 c409GC (Link to this contribution) I support Amendment No. 30. I put my name down to this amendment when it was alone and palely loiter...
Baroness Meacher | 697 c409-10GC (Link to this contribution) I strongly support Amendment No. 19. I am sure that I would also support Amendment No. 30, but my co...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c414GC (Link to this contribution) The sentiment of these amendments is undoubtedly sound. If we intend to keep children in care near t...
Lord Adonis | 697 c416GC (Link to this contribution) With great respect to the noble and learned Baroness, I was arguing that the amendment was unnecessa...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c416GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 20 not moved...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 697 c444-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 7, page 5, line 24, after ““after)”” insert ““— ““(a) after sub...
Lord Adonis | 697 c448-9GC (Link to this contribution) I fully endorse all that my noble friend Lady Massey and other noble Lords have said about the impor...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 697 c449GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response and much appreciate his words. His reply was very positive. H...
Baroness Meacher | 697 c449-51GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 24: 24: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Assessment and ment...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 697 c452-4GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak in support of Amendments Nos. 47 and 24, both of which have my name and that of my n...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 697 c451-2GC (Link to this contribution) In Amendment No. 92, I seek assurance from the Government that they will fulfil their commitment set...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 697 c454GC (Link to this contribution) I very much support the amendments, as well as the words of the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp. I have h...
Lord Rix | 697 c456GC (Link to this contribution) I passed a note to my noble friend Lord Williamson because I knew he was going to speak about mental...
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 697 c387GC (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the Committee, there seems to be some confusion about which amendment we are now e...
Lord Judd | 697 c387GC (Link to this contribution) But it is still on the Marshalled List in my name. I thank the noble Baroness for her request for gu...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 697 c397GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister rises, perhaps I may mention that I was interested in the document presented to ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c395GC (Link to this contribution) I respect and sympathise with the principles behind the amendment. It is obvious that the element of...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c393-4GC (Link to this contribution) I offer my strongest support to the amendment and have attached my name to it. I was grateful to the...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c393GC (Link to this contribution) As I was saying before we were so rudely interrupted by the Climate Change Bill, the rate of turnove...
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c390GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Howe. Care Matters, both the Green and White Pap...
Lord Northbourne | 697 c426GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to take up the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy, about the responsibilit...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 697 c423GC (Link to this contribution) I support all these amendments for a particular personal reason. I have a friend who was, some month...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 697 c429GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister in his role as chief purveyor of facts, as well as his many other talents, for ...
Lord Judd | 697 c434-5GC (Link to this contribution) The right reverend Prelate made a very powerful intervention, in which he emphasised the vulnerabili...
Bishop of Newcastle | 697 c434GC (Link to this contribution) For all the reasons mentioned this afternoon, I support the amendment. It is staggering to think tha...
Lord Adonis | 697 c436-9GC (Link to this contribution) Under Article 19 of the EU reception directive, the Government must ensure that unaccompanied minors...
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c439GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply and I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in supp...
Lord Judd | 697 c441-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Morris of Bolton, for having moved this amendmen...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c442GC (Link to this contribution) Having worked on previous immigration Bills and particularly on this matter, I also offer my support...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 697 c442GC (Link to this contribution) I consider this a very important amendment with regard to all that I said about the previous ones.
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c397GC (Link to this contribution) I commend the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, for coming up with this ingenious idea, which I commend t...
Lord Adonis | 697 c398GC (Link to this contribution) I omitted to reply to the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley. One of the criteria by which the social wor...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c399-400GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17: 17: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Contact with sibli...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c406GC (Link to this contribution) I reinforce my noble friend’s point. The Government have of course significantly increased resources...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c406GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply and all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. Perhaps I ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 697 c411-2GC (Link to this contribution) I begin by commending the Department for Children, Schools and Families for its work in setting stan...
Lord Judd | 697 c411GC (Link to this contribution) The case for these amendments has been put very well by those who have spoken to them. I support thi...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 697 c416-20GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21: 21: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Support services f...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c416GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all those who spoke in this debate and the Minister for his reply. I shall look carefully at...
Lord Judd | 697 c421GC (Link to this contribution) It would be difficult to add anything to what my noble friend Lady Massey has just said. She has so ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 697 c446-7GC (Link to this contribution) My name is on the amendment and I am the rather unlikely original sponsor of the All-Party Parliamen...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c448GC (Link to this contribution) I have already spoken about grandparents and I support everything that has been said. The issue is c...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c448GC (Link to this contribution) This falls in line with what I said on kinship care. As the noble Baroness, Lady Greengross, said, m...
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c443GC (Link to this contribution) If all that the noble Lord has just listed in the code of practice adds up to arrangements to safegu...
Baroness Murphy | 697 c456GC (Link to this contribution) I add my voice to those who have spoken about the need for improved mental health services. I want t...
Lord Judd | 697 c451GC (Link to this contribution) I happen to agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, that the arguments are overwhelming. I alwa...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 697 c460GC (Link to this contribution) I can confirm what the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, said. Four and half hours is the maximum that G...
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 697 c387GC (Link to this contribution) I remind the Committee that if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, which is not...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c387GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 14 is replaced by Amendment No. 22A, which has the correct wording.
Lord Northbourne | 697 c394-5GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. I passionately believe that stability of care and social workers is importa...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 697 c395-6GC (Link to this contribution) When I read the amendment, I jumped for joy. I thought that it was something I would like to see, ev...
Lord Adonis | 697 c392GC (Link to this contribution) Yes. I cannot conceive how it could have a beneficial effect locally if it were not published, so it...
Lord Adonis | 697 c391-2GC (Link to this contribution) The Government are deeply committed to ensuring that looked-after children and care leavers are prop...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c392GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I am in no doubt that the Government are deeply committed to the...
Lord Ramsbotham | 697 c391GC (Link to this contribution) I shall follow on by speaking to Amendment No. 88 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Morris. We...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c389-90GC (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 52 is part of this group. Its aim, like that of the noble Baroness’s amendment, is ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c388-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15: 15: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Local care commitm...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c425-6GC (Link to this contribution) I support what the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, and all noble Lords have said on these amendments. I...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c424GC (Link to this contribution) As my name is attached to at least one of these amendments, I wish to say in the briefest possible w...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 697 c423-4GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the amendments but not at length, as my noble friend Lady Massey has set them out ...
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c429-32GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 22: 22: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Guardians for chil...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c440GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 22A: 22A: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Welfare for chil...
Lord Adonis | 697 c442-3GC (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the strength of feeling on this issue, but I am bound to point out that this precise pr...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c442GC (Link to this contribution) Having been reminded by the noble Lord, Lord Judd, of our discussions on this point when the Bill wa...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c399GC (Link to this contribution) One thing that concerned us greatly during our social workers commission was the retention and turno...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c398GC (Link to this contribution) I have a supplementary question. The intention of the social work practices is to address exactly th...
Lord Adonis | 697 c398GC (Link to this contribution) An affirmative order will be laid.
Lord Northbourne | 697 c406GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness identifies a problem that also concerned me when we were considering the previous...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 697 c405-6GC (Link to this contribution) As the Minister noted, there is within the clause the let-out of what is ““reasonably practicable””....
Earl of Listowel | 697 c407-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19: 19: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Provision of appro...
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c408-9GC (Link to this contribution) I have Amendment No. 30 in this group but, first, I want to say that I very much support the noble E...
Earl of Listowel | 697 c412-4GC (Link to this contribution) I beg the forgiveness of the Grand Committee, as I omitted to speak to Amendments Nos. 20, 22B and 2...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 697 c415GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister suggested that Clause 8(2) would be inconsistent with Amendment No. 19. The amendment s...
Lord Adonis | 697 c414-5GC (Link to this contribution) This will not have escaped the Committee’s attention, but I am developing something of a standard re...
Lord Adonis | 697 c416GC (Link to this contribution) I will look further at the noble Earl’s remarks, but a significant increase in resources has been ma...
Baroness Walmsley | 697 c421-2GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment No. 87 in my name, which is grouped with the amendments tabled by the nob...
Subjects
Disability
Children
Codes of practice
Children in care
Care homes
Asylum
Finance
Families
Foster care
Human trafficking
Migrants
Guardianship
Grandparents
Local government
Mental health services
Standards
Young people
Social services
Social workers
Border and Immigration Agency
Legislation
Children and Young Persons Bill (HL) 2007-08
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