Channel Tunnel Rail Link (Supplementary Provisions) Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, Report, Third reading and other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Ways and Means resolution agreed to on question.
Channel Tunnel Rail Link (Supplementary Provisions) Bill
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 20 November 2007,
in the House of Commons,
led by Tom Harris.
The answering
member was Stephen Hammond.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
467 c1120-60 
Session
2007-08
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Channel Tunnel Rail Link (Supplementary Provisions) Bill. (Explanatory Note Bill 4-EN published).
Thursday, 8 November 2007
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 8 November 2007
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Tom Harris | 467 c1124 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for my hon. Friend's brief travelogue, but I must emphasise that, in the context of co...
Tom Harris | 467 c1121 (Link to this contribution)
I can assure the hon. Gentleman that any restructuring process—indeed, any wider policy of the Depar...
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Tom Harris | 467 c1123-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that very helpful intervention. [Laughter.] We have plenty of ti...
Eric Martlew | 467 c1122 (Link to this contribution)
We have had all sorts of problems with Railtrack in the past; now we have a unified railway system u...
Tom Harris | 467 c1122 (Link to this contribution)
The answer is yes. However, I will not speculate about who might ultimately win that particular bidd...
Peter Soulsby | 467 c1122 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister accept that while there has been an understandable focus on the enormous success o...
Tom Harris | 467 c1123 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a valid point. I know that he takes a close interest in rail freight matters. H...
Tom Harris | 467 c1120-1 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
The channel tunnel rail link, or High Speed...
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1143 (Link to this contribution)
Let me say straight away that I entirely agree with the hon. Gentleman about Eurostar's ridiculous d...
Damian Green | 467 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
It goes without saying that the Chairman of the Transport Committee is never unfair to the Departmen...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 467 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
Oddly enough, I do not disagree with the hon. Gentleman on his point that good transport schemes sho...
Damian Green | 467 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way one more time; then I shall have to make progress.
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1144-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman misses the point that Eurostar is not the same as the CTRL line. Eurostar was gra...
Damian Green | 467 c1145 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is trying to have it both ways. He wants to praise his Government for mounting th...
Kelvin Hopkins | 467 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend may be interested to know that it is now possible to run at least 150 trains a day th...
Tom Harris | 467 c1158-9 (Link to this contribution)
That is an excellent question, which has not been asked today until now. The answer is yes, I would ...
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
Returning to the matter of the interchange between Stratford International station and Stratford reg...
Tom Harris | 467 c1156-7 (Link to this contribution)
I will clarify the position. My understanding is that my right hon. Friend is correct in that those ...
Damian Green | 467 c1158 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister did kindly deal with the ORR's role, but may I ask him a more general question? Would t...
Tom Harris | 467 c1157-8 (Link to this contribution)
That seems quite a reasonable position to adopt. I refer my hon. Friend to my earlier answer, as I u...
Tom Harris | 467 c1155-6 (Link to this contribution)
We have had an excellent and probably too short debate. I will try to respond to as many contributio...
Julian Brazier | 467 c1153-5 (Link to this contribution)
As we complete this debate some three hours early, it is worth reflecting on how transport business ...
Lord Horam | 467 c1153 (Link to this contribution)
Like the hon. Member for Dartford (Dr. Stoate), may I apologise to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and to t...
Howard Stoate | 467 c1151-3 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for not being here at the start of the debate, but I was serving on a Statutory Instrume...
Kelvin Hopkins | 467 c1149-51 (Link to this contribution)
I am very pleased to have an opportunity to speak about the Bill, and particularly to support the fu...
Adam Holloway | 467 c1147-9 (Link to this contribution)
First, I would like to say how delighted I and many of my constituents are about the high-speed dome...
Peter Soulsby | 467 c1146-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for his well-informed intervention. I know that he takes a particular interes...
Charles Clarke | 467 c1156 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for my hon. Friend's clarification. As I understand it, the Secretary of State has two...
Tom Harris | 467 c1156 (Link to this contribution)
If my right hon. Friend will forgive, I would like to make some progress and I was generous in givin...
Kelvin Hopkins | 467 c1143 (Link to this contribution)
I have been listening with great interest to the hon. Gentleman, who seems to be making a powerful c...
Damian Green | 467 c1143 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that Eurostar would benefit from public ownership. However, I hope that I am making a...
Eric Martlew | 467 c1140 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to have been called to speak, because it means that the high-speed link has been comple...
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1140 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend said Railtrack, instead of Network Rail.
Eric Martlew | 467 c1141 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry. Railtrack caused us nightmares. Network Rail needed to be created and we now have a syst...
Damian Green | 467 c1142-3 (Link to this contribution)
As the Minister acutely predicted, I shall make some remarks about the intermediate stations in Kent...
Kelvin Hopkins | 467 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly agree with the hon. Lady about freight. Does she accept that the channel tunnel is one of...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1137-9 (Link to this contribution)
I very much agree. There is huge demand for continental freight transport and I am concerned about t...
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1139 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully to what the hon. Lady says, and I do not at all rule out the possibility t...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1139-40 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman but I think that there is huge opportunity with high speed, and that igno...
Adam Price | 467 c1124 (Link to this contribution)
Given the Under-Secretary's comments and the fact that people in the north of Scotland and in my con...
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1124 (Link to this contribution)
The discussion is becoming terribly negative. I have worked out that my constituents in Ramsgate wil...
Tom Harris | 467 c1124 (Link to this contribution)
We are considering the first high-speed line to be implemented and inaugurated in our country and ou...
Rob Marris | 467 c1126 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is being very generous in giving way. Given his background, can he tell me of a singl...
Tom Harris | 467 c1125 (Link to this contribution)
Take, for example, the journey from London to Manchester as it stands currently. Even without high-s...
Peter Soulsby | 467 c1125 (Link to this contribution)
I want to revert to the pressure that has been put on my hon. Friend to consider other high-speed li...
Tom Harris | 467 c1125 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for again bringing the debate back on track. We should celebrate Hig...
Peter Soulsby | 467 c1125 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for giving way again. Does he not accept that the energy necessary to get tho...
Tom Harris | 467 c1125 (Link to this contribution)
I add a note of caution to my hon. Friend's comments. The environmental case for a high-speed line i...
Rob Marris | 467 c1127 (Link to this contribution)
Given the vision of the Conservative Government—I absolutely salute that vision for the channel tunn...
Stephen Hammond | 467 c1127 (Link to this contribution)
Thanks, but let me remind the hon. Gentleman that on 20 February 1996, it was the Conservative Gover...
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1126-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that the hon. Gentleman has recognised the benefits of the domestic services to my constit...
Stephen Hammond | 467 c1126 (Link to this contribution)
Today we have the Second Reading of the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (Supplementary Provisions) Bill. It...
Tom Harris | 467 c1126 (Link to this contribution)
I would not want to speak for any of my colleagues representing the first city of Scotland, but I ca...
Stephen Hammond | 467 c1128-9 (Link to this contribution)
Network Rail will be able to bid for it. As the Minister said, it would be wrong for anyone in the H...
Eric Martlew | 467 c1127 (Link to this contribution)
I am very pleased that the hon. Gentleman is delighted. I just asked the Minister whether he would b...
Stephen Hammond | 467 c1127 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to give way.
Stephen Hammond | 467 c1127 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to respond to that intervention. I know that the hon. Gentleman is a keen student of ...
Eric Martlew | 467 c1131 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening very carefully to my right hon. Friend, who is talking about changing at Stratford to...
Charles Clarke | 467 c1129-31 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Member for Wimbledon (Stephen Hammond) has said, this is a short Bill that is uncontrove...
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1131 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with everything that my right hon. Friend is saying about the importance of the interchange ...
Charles Clarke | 467 c1131 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that my hon. Friend has raised that issue, because I am very concerned about it. I had a s...
Martin Linton | 467 c1132 (Link to this contribution)
Does my right hon. Friend accept that it is difficult to reach St. Pancras station from some parts o...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1134-5 (Link to this contribution)
This is a short, but highly technical Bill. I agree with the Conservative spokesman in appreciating ...
Charles Clarke | 467 c1132-4 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly agree. I think that I am right in saying that Stratford is the sixth largest interchange ...
Eric Martlew | 467 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Lady accept that people going to Heathrow have to use Paddington anyhow, and that the ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 467 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Lady accept that, in the fullness of time, there will be an upgrade of the Thameslink ...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously, I respect the hon. Lady's expertise and knowledge when it comes to transport, but the tri...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 467 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
I had not intended to intervene, but the hon. Lady seems to be suggesting that all our business men ...
Tom Harris | 467 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way to me a second time, and I shall try to make this the ...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
The original plan—in many ways framed as a promise—was that services would continue to leave from Wa...
Tom Harris | 467 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way, but I hope that she will clarify her position. Is she...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
I confess that I have sometimes used the phrase ““Thameslink 3000””, but I accept that any additiona...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1136-7 (Link to this contribution)
I very much agree with that point and will address it later in my comments, which are not long so th...
Stephen Hammond | 467 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
My constituents are undoubtedly affected by the move of operations from Waterloo to St. Pancras, but...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
I would have preferred not to spend the additional money on moving to St. Pancras, but I was relying...
Tom Harris | 467 c1122 (Link to this contribution)
That was an ingenious intervention by my hon. Friend. The short answer is that I am afraid that the ...
Rob Marris | 467 c1123 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend talks about through tickets from regional stations and the regeneration effects of HS...
Gordon Prentice | 467 c1124 (Link to this contribution)
My Friend or his ministerial colleague told me that the Government would not consider extending HS1 ...
Damian Green | 467 c1121 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister makes the important point that when the sale happens he will seek to gain the best valu...
Charles Clarke | 467 c1131-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that intervention and I think that my hon. Friend will agree that the strongest wa...
Damian Green | 467 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
I do not agree with that analysis. The specific point is that the whole High Speed 1 project and cha...
Peter Soulsby | 467 c1145-6 (Link to this contribution)
As a frequent user of St. Pancras, I have watched with some frustration the work that has been going...
Baroness Kramer | 467 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
One has to look at how people function in real life. The reality is that significant numbers of busi...
Stephen Ladyman | 467 c1121 (Link to this contribution)
While my hon. Friend is on the subject of the travelling public, he will know that my constituents a...
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