Parliamentary search - Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Baroness Andrews | 694 c216 (Link to this contribution) It is my understanding that these provisions are comprehensive, but I will double-check that with my...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c216 (Link to this contribution) I realised that it must be a bus that had passed towards the end of last year. I ask the Minister on...

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Baroness Andrews | 694 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 216A and 217C would remove the exemptions for the scrutiny of police authorities fro...

Lord Greaves | 694 c219-20 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that comprehensive reply, which is what I hoped that I would get when I tabled thi...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c217-9 (Link to this contribution) I shall reiterate briefly what I said earlier. The Bill strengthens the OandS provisions in the Loca...

Lord Greaves | 694 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) I rise technically to oppose Clause 123 standing part of the Bill and to speak to the amendments gro...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c216 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. On ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c220-2 (Link to this contribution) It is wonderful to see the Liberal party so joined up, discovering their amendments synchronised by ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c220 (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 216C, 216D and 216E in this group stand in my name and are all designed to achieve t...

Lord Greaves | 694 c220 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 216B: 216B: Clause 124, page 80, line 11, leave out ““may”” and insert ““shall...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c231 (Link to this contribution) I repeat what I said last time. We need to take note of the noble Baroness’s answers on this group o...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 225ZD: 225ZD: Clause 131, page 89, line 5, insert— ““(1A) Where an authority h...

Baroness Crawley | 694 c231 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 225ZD is essential to ensure that by-laws are enforced in line with established proced...

Baroness Crawley | 694 c230 (Link to this contribution) While we are seeing whether we can get the answer to the question of the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, p...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c230 (Link to this contribution) Again, I thank the noble Baroness for her answer. This series of amendments seeks to clarify the sit...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c229-30 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 225ZC: 225ZC: After Clause 130, insert the following new Clause— ““Timetable f...

Lord Greaves | 694 c230 (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment which puts in legislative form what I said earlier. I think the Minister wa...

Baroness Crawley | 694 c229 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, comes in, I can give a little more detail. I understand th...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c229 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her response. I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, that it confirms o...

Lord Greaves | 694 c228 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord withdraws his amendment, which I assume he is going to do, I must say that thi...

Lord Greaves | 694 c226-7 (Link to this contribution) It might help the Committee and perhaps speed progress if I speak now to the question on whether Cla...

Baroness Crawley | 694 c227-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Hanningfield and Lord Greaves, for the way in which they have...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c224 (Link to this contribution) I cannot answer that question; I shall do so as soon as I am able. I hope that noble Lords will be p...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c224 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. [Amendments Nos. 218A to 221 not moved.] Clause 125 agreed ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c224-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 225: 225: Clause 128, page 86, line 42, at end insert— ““( ) in subsection (2)...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c225-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 225ZA: 225ZA: Clause 130, page 88, leave out lines 16 and 17 The noble Lord s...

Lord Greaves | 694 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) I am astonished by that response—I thank the Minister, but I am still astonished. It seems to go aga...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c223 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 218: 218: Clause 125, page 84, line 7, leave out from beginning to ““a”” The ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate why the Local Government Association wanted an explanation for this. There is nothing s...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c224 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that it is right to address these complicated matters through regulations. We shou...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c240-1 (Link to this contribution) While I am speaking, the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, might be able to work out how to make her poin...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c240 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply and look forward to her letter. Clause 150 agreed to. Schedule...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c240 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 226: 226: Clause 152, page 106, line 1, leave out ““inspector”” and insert ““a...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c242-3 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 226AA seeks an additional requirement on persons authorised under Clause 165 to receiv...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c242 (Link to this contribution) The fact that the Audit Commission agrees to something does not necessarily mean that it is going in...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c242 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 226AA: 226AA: Clause 165, page 111, line 34, at end insert— ““( ) Any informat...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c240 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I cannot give the noble Baroness that information. I am not aware how far the consu...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c239-40 (Link to this contribution) I am not quite ground down. I shall speak to this Question just to say something, if for no other re...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c239 (Link to this contribution) My reaction is rather the same. As I heard it, we were told that this measure would enable much bett...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c232 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her answer, which was a little more helpful than some previous answers. If ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c232-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 225A: 225A: Clause 134, page 94, line 11, leave out from beginning to first ““...

Baroness Crawley | 694 c233 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, for her amendment. It would be helpful if I explai...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c233 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps we have received different briefings from different parts of the same organisation. I was no...

Lord Greaves | 694 c235-7 (Link to this contribution) Listening to my noble friend, I got the impression that perhaps she understood this rather better th...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c237-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether I classify myself as a teeny-bopper in the House of Lords but I am very much b...

Lord Greaves | 694 c239 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to say very much because I think that there is a total lack of communication here. The...

Baroness Crawley | 694 c232 (Link to this contribution) In answer to the concerns of the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, authorities have discretion. On Amen...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 225ZE: 225ZE: Clause 131, page 91, line 4, at end insert— ““(1A) But nothing i...

Baroness Crawley | 694 c243-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can enlighten the noble Baroness. Amendments Nos. 227 to 235 provide some fine-tuning ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c244 (Link to this contribution) Somewhat to my surprise, I understood that answer and I am grateful for it. I beg leave to withdraw ...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c243 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. At this hour of the night, I am not going to say anything more....

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c243 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 226B: 226B: Clause 173, page 117, line 20, leave out ““paragraphs (b) and (c)”...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c246 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.

Baroness Andrews | 694 c245-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 231 to 235: 231: Clause 178, page 122, line 27, after ““of”” insert ““all or...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c244-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 227 to 230: 227: Clause 176, page 120, line 40, at end insert— ““(1ZA) A Loc...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c191 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) The name of my noble friend Lord Hanningfield is attached to this amendment. Therefore, it is clear ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c196 (Link to this contribution) I think we will end up simply differing on this. I wrote down the words ““horse’s mouth”” as the nob...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c194-6 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree that the amendments are important and I appreciate the spirit in which they are bro...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c210 (Link to this contribution) How does the committee know what it will get from a member raising a subject? Will it rely entirely ...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) It is all about missing buses. It is the most extraordinary thing that in this place Bills pass by u...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords have spoken with great experience and wisdom on this subject. I wish it were possible fo...

Lord Bruce-Lockhart | 694 c213 (Link to this contribution) I am also happy to support the amendment. Social housing issues are, as we all know, immensely impor...

Lord Best | 694 c213 (Link to this contribution) I would just add one ingredient to the discussion. Social housing providers are not the same as regi...

Lord Greaves | 694 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham. In doing so, perhaps I ma...

Lord Greaves | 694 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her slight enthusiasm for the ideas I put forward. She did not respond spec...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c210 (Link to this contribution) It may be that the member does not want to exercise that right. He may feel more comfortable raising...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c215 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 216A: 216A: Clause 123, page 79, leave out line 18 The noble Baroness said: I...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c201 (Link to this contribution) I will give the Minister an example and see how she reacts to it. Some time ago—this is an historica...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c199-200 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the noble Lord cannot give a warmer welcome to this, because so much of what he said...

Lord Greaves | 694 c196-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 215ZA: 215ZA: Clause 121, page 77, line 9, leave out ““local government”” The...

Lord Greaves | 694 c202-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for taking this matter seriously. We are not in any way against what t...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c202 (Link to this contribution) That last comment about guidance is welcome but it raises the obvious question of why it has to be s...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c201-2 (Link to this contribution) Part of the issue is what exactly the role, scope and functions of local authorities are. In this in...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c201 (Link to this contribution) That is a very good example. I was thinking of the example of double-glazing to deal with aircraft n...

Lord Greaves | 694 c204 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that with the large pile of different local government Acts we have, there i...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c203 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 215ZAA: 215ZAA: Clause 121, page 77, line 12, leave out from beginning to ““en...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c204 (Link to this contribution) I shall not even comment on Amendment No. 215ZAA, because I, too, now have a completely superfluous ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c204 (Link to this contribution) I have now found the provision in Section 21 of the 2000 Act to which the Minister referred. I am gr...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c204 (Link to this contribution) I can see that nothing would give the noble Lord more pleasure than if I agreed that we should tie u...

Lord Bruce-Lockhart | 694 c205 (Link to this contribution) I fully support my noble friend Lady Hanham on this issue. I am of course no longer chairman of the ...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c204-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 215A: 215A: Clause 121, page 77, line 46, at end insert ““and”” The noble Bar...

Lord Bruce-Lockhart | 694 c206 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to follow the argument. I believe that the Minister is saying that these can be referred...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) This is certainly a powerful lobby. The noble Lord may no longer be with the Local Government Associ...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) I suppose one of the best ways to do it would be to call them different things. We are here inviting...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c206-7 (Link to this contribution) I would not dispute that. There is an inextricable relationship with social and economic affairs. Bu...

Lord Greaves | 694 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 215DA: 215DA: Clause 121, page 78, line 5, leave out from ““matters”” to end o...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) The more I learn about the comprehensiveness of the noble Lord’s experience in local government, the...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c241 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Baroness that this is an important additional power for the Audit Commission ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c191-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 215: 215: Before Clause 121, insert the following new Clause— ““Contractors’ d...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 215DC: 215DC: Clause 123, page 78, line 26, after ““authorities”” insert ““or ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c233-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 225E: 225E: Clause 138, page 96, line 15, after ““duty),”” insert ““after subs...

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