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2006-07

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Statistics and Registration Service Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 53-EN also published.
Wednesday, 14 March 2007
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Statistics and Registration Service Bill. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Newby | 692 c749 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 200: 200: Clause 44, page 19, line 33, leave out ““Treasury”” and insert ““Cab...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c749 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 203: 203: Clause 44, page 20, line 21, at end insert— ““(c) governing further ...

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Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c749-50 (Link to this contribution) These amendments deal with the powers to make supplementary and consequential provision in the regul...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c750 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s response and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by ...

Lord Newby | 692 c750 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 204 to 206: 204: Clause 44, page 20, line 22, leave out ““Treasury”” and ins...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c750 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 207: 207: Clause 44, page 20, line 31, at end insert ““statistical”” The nobl...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c750-1 (Link to this contribution) I want to reassure the noble Earl and all Members of the Committee that while we cannot accept the a...

Lord Newby | 692 c751 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 208 to 210: 208: Clause 44, page 20, line 36, leave out ““Treasury”” and ins...

Lord Newby | 692 c751 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 219 to 222: 219: Clause 47, page 22, line 35, leave out ““Treasury”” and ins...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c748-9 (Link to this contribution) At the end of his response the Minister cited the need to comply with the Human Rights Act and the D...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c742-3 (Link to this contribution) The amendments would prevent the Secretary of State for Health, other public authorities or Welsh Mi...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c744 (Link to this contribution) I confess to some initial disappointment at that response, but I am prepared to take the trouble to ...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c742 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s response. I am not sure that it entirely satisfies me. Nevertheless...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c742 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 193: 193: Clause 40, page 18, line 15, after first ““the”” insert ““name,”” T...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c748 (Link to this contribution) Before I decide what to do with my amendments, I ask the Minister to explain why Clause 42(4) states...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c748 (Link to this contribution) I do not have a specific note on HMRC but the noble Baroness will recognise the nature of some of th...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c744-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 195: 195: Clause 40, page 18, line 21, leave out from first ““section”” to end...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c745-7 (Link to this contribution) I thought that the noble Baroness had presented sufficient amendments for this issue to be aired wit...

Viscount Eccles | 692 c754 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for pre-empting my noble friend Lord Jenkin of Roding. I have only one thing to add. Com...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c754 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 239: 239: Clause 58, page 29 line 13, leave out ““Treasury”” and insert ““Cabi...

Lord Newby | 692 c755 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 240 and 241: 240: Clause 62, page 30, line 20, leave out ““Treasury”” and in...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c755-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 242 to 246: 242: Clause 62, page 30, line 30, leave out paragraph (a) 243:...

Lord Newby | 692 c752 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 226: 226: Clause 48, page 23, line 18, leave out ““Treasury”” and insert ““Cab...

Lord Newby | 692 c752 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 224 to 225: 224: Clause 47, page 23, line 9, leave out ““Treasury”” and inse...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c754 (Link to this contribution) I have previously in the Committee paid tribute to the work done by the Statistics Commission, but I...

Viscount Eccles | 692 c753 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply.

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 692 c753-4 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend withdraws the amendment I should like to say a few words about this matter. I...

Viscount Eccles | 692 c752-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 236A: 236A: Clause 52, page 26, line 6, leave out paragraph (b) The noble Vis...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c753 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with the approval and praise expressed by the noble Viscount, Lord Eccles, for the ...

Lord Newby | 692 c752 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 232 and 233: 232: Clause 49, page 24, line 44, leave out ““Treasury”” and in...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c727-8 (Link to this contribution) I find that question a little difficult to answer. I am worried about any form of personal informati...

Lord Desai | 692 c727 (Link to this contribution) I have been puzzled by some of the observations that have been made and have been trying to restrain...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c728 (Link to this contribution) The truly shocking aspect of the Minister’s response was his saying that the Government might agree ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c728 (Link to this contribution) EU regulations and directives impose duties on member states as regards the collection of statistics...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c727 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 179: 179: Clause 36, page 15, line 33, at end insert ““and only where the info...

Lord Newby | 692 c730 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that explanation, which technically I understand. However, because...

Lord Newby | 692 c729 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 181: 181: Clause 36, page 15, line 37, leave out paragraph (e) The noble Lord...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c729-30 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 181 and 183. Amendment No. 181 would remove the exception allowing...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c730 (Link to this contribution) In respect of both instances that are the subject of the noble Lord’s amendment, the board will end ...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c730 (Link to this contribution) It may not be available elsewhere. It may have been collected from a variety of sources. The point o...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c731 (Link to this contribution) I added my name to the amendment and completely support it. The Bill wisely drafts in the requiremen...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c731 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 187: 187: Clause 36, page 16, line 8, at end insert ““, and (c) appropriate sa...

Lord Newby | 692 c731 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by lea...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c731 (Link to this contribution) I shall be very happy to do that.

Lord Newby | 692 c731 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the noble Earl, Lord Northesk, is extremely grateful for that explanation. Perhaps th...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c731 (Link to this contribution) This is an answer to the question asked by the noble Earl, Lord Northesk. It is likely that courts w...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c732-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 189: 189: Clause 36, page 16, line 11, at end insert— ““( ) A disclosure of in...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c733 (Link to this contribution) It may be convenient to the Committee if I speak to my clause-stand-part Question at this time. In c...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c732 (Link to this contribution) As we have heard, the amendment relates to the appointment of approved researchers by the board. As ...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c732 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdr...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c733-4 (Link to this contribution) The amendment would require that anyone disclosing personal information through the exceptions to th...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c735 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to undertake to write to the noble Baroness and to give her the information that she...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c735 (Link to this contribution) Actually, it is my amendment. I should not really speak for my noble friend, but I very much doubt t...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c735-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 190: 190: Clause 36, page 16, line 18, leave out subsection (10) The noble Ba...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c735 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord and I am sure that, if his officials read my opening remarks carefully, they ...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c736-7 (Link to this contribution) As we have heard, Amendment No. 190 would remove the grounds for defence against criminal prosecutio...

Lord Desai | 692 c736 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may intervene briefly. I think that the reasonable belief clause is important, and I shall...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c737 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply and for explaining the difficulties that may be encountered arou...

Lord Desai | 692 c737 (Link to this contribution) Let me assure the noble Baroness that the researcher is also a very little man.

Baroness Noakes | 692 c737 (Link to this contribution) I have never regarded the noble Lord, Lord Desai, as a little man. With this amendment I was seekin...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c739 (Link to this contribution) I must apologise most sincerely to the Committee: I lost track of the groupings and the remarks that...

Lord Howard of Rising | 692 c739 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 191: 191: Clause 38, page 17, line 13, at end insert— ““( ) Information may on...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c738-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her comments on Clause 37. It is obvious that I want to see ...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c738 (Link to this contribution) I have given notice that I wish to oppose the Question that Clause 37 stand part of the Bill, and I ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c740 (Link to this contribution) I certainly understand that point, but as I said, we expect the board, in striking the contract with...

Lord Howard of Rising | 692 c740 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his remarks. The amendment is not really about passing information or about...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c739-40 (Link to this contribution) I will certainly take up the option of writing to the noble Earl, but I hope that I have sufficient ...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c741 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 192: 192: Clause 40, page 18, line 14, after second ““information”” insert ““—...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c741 (Link to this contribution) I have added my name to the amendment and I have little to add to what my noble friend says because ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) I gave the clearest illustration that I could. I will write to the noble Baroness if there are other...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c724 (Link to this contribution) Is there an example other than the census? That is the question which I posed in my opening remarks....

Baroness Hooper | 692 c725 (Link to this contribution) If Amendment No. 176 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 177 because of pre-emption.

Lord Newby | 692 c725 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for that explanation. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Ame...

Lord Newby | 692 c722-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 171: 171: Clause 36, page 15, line 16, after ““disclosed”” insert ““nor used e...

Lord Davies of Coity | 692 c723-4 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may deal first with Amendment No. 180 as it is a specific amendment and then deal with the...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c723 (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 180 in this group is different from the Liberal Democrat amendment but addresses so...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c726 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 176 would remove the exception to the confidentiality obligation in Clause 36(4)(a) th...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c725-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 176: 176: Clause 36, page 15, line 32, leave out paragraph (a) The noble Baro...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c727 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for offering to provide that list. I was merely seeking clarity, rather than le...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c720 (Link to this contribution) We do not put staff numbers and remuneration in legislation; we are merely making it absolutely clea...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c720 (Link to this contribution) I will have to disappoint the Minister again by saying that I am not wholly satisfied with his respo...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c718-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 163: 163: Clause 29, page 13, line 22, leave out paragraph (a) The noble Baro...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 692 c717-8 (Link to this contribution) I find that reply deeply unsatisfactory and I will want to study what the Minister has said. He does...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c717 (Link to this contribution) That is not my argument. Here we are setting up a board which has objectives. Of course it is in eve...

Viscount Eccles | 692 c722 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly look with great care at what the Minister said, as is only right and proper. I do ...

Viscount Eccles | 692 c721 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to go over the ground that has already been covered by my noble friend Lady Noakes, so...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is clear on it, but the Bill is not. It does not state that staff working on the assess...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c711-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken to their amendments. I shall discuss the amendments sep...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank both noble Lords for taking part in this short debate. There is an incredible fog in this Bi...

Lord Moser | 692 c713 (Link to this contribution) The trouble with this topic is that the amendments touch on what we came to call the muddle of the w...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c715 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 158 stipulates that the executive office of the board should be known as the Office fo...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c714 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 158: 158: Clause 29, page 13, line 8, at end insert— ““( ) The executive offic...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 692 c715-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 162: 162: Clause 29, page 13, line 17, at end insert— ““( ) The National Stati...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c715 (Link to this contribution) When the staff of the Office for National Statistics read Hansard, they will note that the Minister ...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c717 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, said, we have had quite a discussion about this matter. I hope that ...

Lord Moser | 692 c716 (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment. It seems such an obvious duty for the National Statistician, supported by ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 692 c717 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I may intervene. Both roles were spelt out in 2000 in the framework and were assigned to...

Lord Howard of Rising | 692 c707 (Link to this contribution) We support the amendment and are happy to echo the noble Lord’s reasons for it. This Committee has a...

Lord Newby | 692 c707 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 147: 147: Clause 28, page 12, line 35, at end insert— ““( ) The National Stati...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 692 c707 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Baroness Noakes | 692 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 151: 151: Clause 29, page 12, line 38, leave out subsection (2) The noble Bar...

Lord Newby | 692 c709 (Link to this contribution) I am fascinated by the Minister’s response. I am very pleased that he agrees with the substance of t...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c708-9 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Newby, very kindly opened by saying that he was stating the blindingly obvious....

Lord Moser | 692 c708 (Link to this contribution) I put my name down in support of this amendment for the obvious reason that others mentioned: it is ...

Viscount Eccles | 692 c711 (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment to speak to my amendment, which is in the group, although the subjec...

Baroness Fookes | 692 c711 (Link to this contribution) I point out that if the amendment is agreed, I shall not be able to call Amendment No. 152, by reaso...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c741-2 (Link to this contribution) I am likely to disappoint the noble Baroness by not accepting the amendments. After all, they would ...

Earl of Northesk | 692 c751 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that explanation. I knew it would not be that easy, but never mind...

Lord Newby | 692 c752 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 228 to 230: 228: Clause 48, page 24, line 4, leave out ““Treasury”” and inse...

Lord Howard of Rising | 692 c740-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c719-20 (Link to this contribution) The Committee will be pleased to hear that I agree with every sentiment expressed by the noble Baron...

Lord Newby | 692 c752 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 235 and 236: 235: Clause 50, page 25, line 35, leave out ““Treasury”” and in...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 692 c721-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Viscount for presenting his opposition to the clause in such a constructive way, a...

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