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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Thursday, 8 March 2007
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Deposited Paper DEP 07/1646
Thursday, 17 May 2007
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Legislative scrutiny: fourth progress report. Human Rights Joint Select Committee eleventh report with proceedings and appendices.
Monday, 26 March 2007
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Proceeding contributions

Speaker | 460 c864 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order, but it is not something for the Chair to rule on....

Phil Woolas | 460 c841 (Link to this contribution) Let me make two points. First, the debate is being conducted on the false premise that patient forum...

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Norman Lamb | 460 c864 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Have you received any notice from the Secretary of State ...

Phil Woolas | 460 c840 (Link to this contribution) Let me make some progress and we will see whether I have failed to cover the relevant points. Some ...

John Baron | 460 c840-1 (Link to this contribution) Let me bring the Minister back to the issue of inspections. With all due respect to him, he is creat...

Phil Woolas | 460 c840 (Link to this contribution) But that is not the argument that I am pursuing. We are not debating the entirety of how health and ...

Paul Truswell | 460 c839-40 (Link to this contribution) May I take the Minister back to the example I cited of the independent sector treatment centre? The ...

Phil Woolas | 460 c839 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to make the point that the change in the service rather than that in the service provide...

Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c839 (Link to this contribution) Transferring a service—for example, scanning—to the private sector is what I mean by ““significant c...

Phil Woolas | 460 c824-6 (Link to this contribution) I can, and I know of my hon. Friend’s interest in the matter. The Bill does the opposite; it strengt...

John Baron | 460 c826-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome some of the Minister’s amendments; it is clear that the Government have, to a certain exte...

Phil Woolas | 460 c823-4 (Link to this contribution) That too is a reasonable point. I think independence can be guaranteed though the active encourageme...

Paul Truswell | 460 c824 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will be aware of concerns that the Bill diminishes and dilutes the obligation on heal...

Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c831-3 (Link to this contribution) I support amendment No. 249 to clause 182, in my name and those of my hon. Friends the Members for B...

David Burrowes | 460 c829 (Link to this contribution) I commend my hon. Friend’s case for the importance of a statutory definition of the word ““inspect””...

John Baron | 460 c829-31 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree with my hon. Friend. We probed the Government on that point in Committee, but as y...

Robert Neill | 460 c823 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that helpful reply. The only difference, I think, is this. The peo...

Phil Woolas | 460 c823 (Link to this contribution) As ever, the hon. Gentleman has made a measured contribution. There are two answers to his question....

Robert Neill | 460 c823 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his courtesy, as ever. I understand the way in which the funds wi...

David Burrowes | 460 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak particularly to amendment No. 78, moved by my hon. Friend the Member for Billericay (M...

John Baron | 460 c837 (Link to this contribution) One of the specific questions that I put to the Minister concerned conflict of interest. Under the B...

Phil Woolas | 460 c837 (Link to this contribution) There is a huge difference between the host organisation and the LINKs organisation. Were there to b...

John Baron | 460 c838 (Link to this contribution) I accept that the local authority will have a say, but that still does not address the central issue...

Phil Woolas | 460 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) Half an hour ago, the hon. Gentleman voted for an amendment to prevent ring-fencing, yet now he is t...

Paul Truswell | 460 c834-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall touch on three issues that hon. Members have already raised. The first is the abolition of p...

Tom Brake | 460 c833 (Link to this contribution) I shall not go over arguments made in Committee about LINKs and their funding, representation on tho...

Alison Seabeck | 460 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) I rise to point out concerns that were drawn to my attention by my local patients forum at a recent ...

Philip Dunne | 460 c835 (Link to this contribution) I want to make two brief comments in support of the amendments of my hon. Friend the Member for Bill...

Alistair Burt | 460 c784 (Link to this contribution) I note the hon. Gentleman’s comment. What happened was balanced by the fact that I lost the only Lab...

Daniel Kawczynski | 460 c784 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that we made big gains in Shropshire, where we were all campaigning vehemen...

Lord Stunell | 460 c785 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the rumours that I have heard about civil servants actively seeking t...

Alistair Burt | 460 c785-8 (Link to this contribution) I am not, but I am not surprised to hear that. The danger is that we can set formal limits, then alo...

Speaker | 460 c784 (Link to this contribution) Order. We have had an amusing little diversion, but perhaps we can return strictly to the terms of t...

Alistair Burt | 460 c784-5 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I am grateful for your indulgence, Mr. Deputy Speaker. My hon. Friend speaks well, and it is...

Nick Raynsford | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend recognise that for those involved in the manufacture of building materials and t...

Martin Caton | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) I agree that that is part of the answer, and the Government have a good programme leading up to 2016...

Patrick Hall | 460 c789 (Link to this contribution) I am following my hon. Friend’s points carefully, and I certainly agree with the thrust of what he i...

Martin Caton | 460 c788-9 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to amendment No. 253, which is in my name and that of 80 other Members from across t...

Martin Caton | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) That is certainly what the Home Builders Federation is saying. When I introduced my private Member’s...

David Howarth | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman—he is my hon. Friend on this matter—for giving way and I apologise for no...

Phil Woolas | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) He attacked Cambridge.

David Howarth | 460 c790 (Link to this contribution) I heard that bit and it was very good. Does he agree that another answer to what the right hon. Memb...

Martin Caton | 460 c790-1 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. As for the consultation on the planning policy statement on planning and ...

Robert Neill | 460 c791-2 (Link to this contribution) I very much welcome amendment No. 253, tabled by the hon. Member for Gower (Mr. Caton), which deals ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c792 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman will forgive me for mentioning this, but was it not a Conservative Go...

Lord Deben | 460 c792 (Link to this contribution) While we are having the history lesson, would my hon. Friend like to remind the House that because o...

Robert Neill | 460 c792 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am grateful for the history lesson and some of us learn from history, which is why many Conse...

Robert Neill | 460 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) I understand my right hon. Friend’s point, and I am now led to conclude that I was right to adopt my...

Lord Stunell | 460 c775 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Speaker | 460 c775-7 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 30—National Partnership Scheme...

Lord Stunell | 460 c777 (Link to this contribution) The new clause is simple and straightforward and should be added to the Bill. The Government have re...

Tom Brake | 460 c778 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that Sir Michael’s contention about greater centralisation is reinforced b...

Lord Stunell | 460 c778 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right—or rather the statistics from the Department for Communities and Local Gover...

Speaker | 460 c779 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is perfectly in order for the hon. Gentleman to comment on any of the amendments or new cl...

Lord Stunell | 460 c778-9 (Link to this contribution) The Minister makes a case, but it is not a particularly good one because many local authorities beli...

Phil Woolas | 460 c778 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, I was aware of the answer given to the hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Bra...

Lord Stunell | 460 c778 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to the Minister—I feel good news coming.

Lord Stunell | 460 c780 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to the right hon. Gentleman, who is an expert in these matters.

Nick Raynsford | 460 c780 (Link to this contribution) I share the hon. Gentleman’s objective—and that of the Government—of giving greater discretion and a...

Lord Stunell | 460 c779-80 (Link to this contribution) It is certainly right that there should be fair shares. I accept that. However, what many people fin...

Lord Stunell | 460 c779 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In that case, I draw the House’s attention to the further n...

Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c779 (Link to this contribution) Apropos the hon. Gentleman’s last comments, is it not important for the Government to try to ensure ...

Lord Stunell | 460 c781 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is quoting from new clause 29. I am more than happy to respond, although at...

Nick Raynsford | 460 c781 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said that his measure was not simply about the number of targets, plans or other ...

Lord Stunell | 460 c781-2 (Link to this contribution) I certainly agree with my hon. Friend. Many people in local government find it difficult to understa...

Mike Hancock | 460 c781 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend believe that part of the problem is the fact that many local authorities are at ...

Lord Stunell | 460 c780-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his contribution, which sounded just like the comments of local...

Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c784 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman omitted to mention the fact that in our own county of Bedfordshire Labour regaine...

Nick Raynsford | 460 c782-3 (Link to this contribution) Given the grouping of the amendments, I shall not follow the specific issues raised by the hon. Memb...

Alistair Burt | 460 c783 (Link to this contribution) Given the wide-ranging nature of the first group of amendments, I shall not follow the remarks of th...

Daniel Kawczynski | 460 c783 (Link to this contribution) For both of us.

Alistair Burt | 460 c783-4 (Link to this contribution) For my hon. Friend and me. I enjoy that contact with the right hon. Gentleman and I thank him for hi...

Michael Fabricant | 460 c811 (Link to this contribution) What has that got to do with—

Phil Woolas | 460 c811 (Link to this contribution) I have watched the hon. Gentleman’s progress since the election with interest. He needs to learn tha...

Lord Barker of Battle | 460 c811 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Minister says, and we understand that he is in earnest, but we have heard it all bef...

Phil Woolas | 460 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) The proposition is that we are along way behind our partners in Europe. I accept that. However, my r...

Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c810 (Link to this contribution) Whatever is done, should we not recognise that we are long way behind those on the continent of Euro...

Phil Woolas | 460 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) I will of course do as the hon. Gentleman asks. We do not want to over-burden public authorities wit...

Robert Neill | 460 c809 (Link to this contribution) I remember the discussion in Committee. The one concern that I am left with is the degree to which t...

Phil Woolas | 460 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point and rings a bell of warning about what might be going on in the l...

Alison Seabeck | 460 c808 (Link to this contribution) I know that my hon. Friend is in full flow, so I thank him for giving way. He mentioned the addition...

Phil Woolas | 460 c806-8 (Link to this contribution) I sincerely thank Members on both sides of the House for contributing to our well-informed and const...

Lord Barker of Battle | 460 c805 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not having been present for the opening of the debate. I wish to speak briefly abou...

Neil Turner | 460 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend anticipates the point I am about to make. As a result of the last local elections, 32...

Peter Soulsby | 460 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) I want to comment briefly on four amendments. First, I welcome the amendments in the name of my righ...

Lord Deben | 460 c803 (Link to this contribution) Yet 48 per cent. of the houses built last year did not meet the building regulations that the right ...

Nick Raynsford | 460 c803 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for saying that he would trust me, but I was actually the ...

Andrew Gwynne | 460 c804 (Link to this contribution) May I declare an interest in that I am a member of Tameside metropolitan borough council? My hon. Fr...

Neil Turner | 460 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) I support Government amendments Nos. 26 to 28, which rightly recognise the role of transport in loca...

Lord Deben | 460 c801-2 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the House for not being present at the beginning of the debate. I had not intended to...

Lord Deben | 460 c802-3 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman would have my entire support were it not for my belief that if we allow tha...

Alistair Burt | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The House has just voted on an amendment about energy effic...

Phil Woolas | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) [Interruption.]Apologies, I could not hear what you said, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Government amendment ...

Speaker | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) Order. I must deal with the question that I am putting to the House.

Alistair Burt | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I ask whether you have had any request from the Minister fo...

Phil Woolas | 460 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) I apologise if I contributed to the confusion, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Part 13 fits with the overarchin...

Speaker | 460 c822 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman is attempting to start again the debate that we have just completed. We mu...

Phil Woolas | 460 c821 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 32, page 121, line 15, at end insert—

Speaker | 460 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment No. 76, page 121, line 23, at en...

Speaker | 460 c820 (Link to this contribution) Order. We must deal with the amendments before points of order.

Phil Woolas | 460 c812 (Link to this contribution) I really must make progress. The right hon. Gentleman has had his opportunity to speak, and there ar...

Phil Woolas | 460 c812 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for North-East Bedfordshire (Alistair Burt),

Phil Woolas | 460 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is a reasonable man, but on this occasion he has clearly not listened to my respo...

Alistair Burt | 460 c812 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister; I know that he wants to move on, but I want to make an important poin...

Alistair Burt | 460 c820 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker—

Tom Brake | 460 c813 (Link to this contribution) There is much that we can welcome in what the Minister said, particularly the extension of the list ...

Phil Woolas | 460 c811-2 (Link to this contribution) Let me finish my point before Opposition Whips start heckling, as they usually do when a point is ma...

Mike Hancock | 460 c797-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way later, if time permits. Others wish to speak and I want to deal with the amendments...

David Howarth | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. The argument about the supply chain misses the important point that there is a differen...

Lord Deben | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) Is it not only in ignorance of the way in which housing is built that the Minister puts forward his ...

David Howarth | 460 c798-9 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to speak in favour of amendment No. 253, mainly to put on the public record my thanks...

Alistair Burt | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) I did say that.

David Anderson | 460 c800-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the comments made earlier by my hon. Friend the Member for Luton, North (Kelvin Hopkins). ...

David Howarth | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) Yes, the right hon. Gentleman is going further than I was, and making the very good point that build...

Nick Raynsford | 460 c799 (Link to this contribution) For the avoidance of any doubt, I should make clear my declared interest in the Register of Members’...

David Burrowes | 460 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) Will the statutory duty to co-operate deliver what everyone wants to achieve? The example of primary...

Robert Neill | 460 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises a hugely important point. Although we have not yet reached the degree of crisi...

Kelvin Hopkins | 460 c795-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak briefly, because there is a lot of business to transact. First, I commend my hon. Frie...

Mike Hancock | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) Let me start by dealing with some of the comments of the hon. Member for North-East Bedfordshire (Al...

David Anderson | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) In Tory-free Gateshead, the Tories held on to what they had: they had nothing and they got nothing.

Mike Hancock | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) They got no more than they deserved.

Alistair Burt | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) It is difficult for the hon. Gentleman, try as he might, from a position of having lost 246 councill...

Alistair Burt | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) We won.

Mike Hancock | 460 c797 (Link to this contribution) Fine. I only hope that that will translate into wholehearted support for local government and what i...

Nick Raynsford | 460 c802 (Link to this contribution) If the situation were as the right hon. Gentleman has depicted it, his argument would have a great d...

Mike Hancock | 460 c796 (Link to this contribution) I was not defending my position but attacking the hon. Gentleman’s holier-than-thou gloating, the li...

Phil Woolas | 460 c837 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Billericay (Mr. Baron) began by saying that there were still unanswered question...

David Howarth | 460 c800 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I do not. That would be an argument against having different standards—level 6, lev...

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