Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Bill. Lords Committee stage. Clauses 1 to 6 agreed to; clause 5 agreed to as amended. Bill reported with an amendment. (HL Bill 57). Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.
Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Bill
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Parliamentary proceeding
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690 c245-90GC 
Session
2006-07
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Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Bill. As amended in Grand Committee.
Thursday, 22 March 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Thursday, 22 March 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 35-EN also published.
Tuesday, 30 January 2007
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House of Commons
Tuesday, 30 January 2007
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House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c267-8GC (Link to this contribution)
The most constructive thing we can do is let the noble Lord, and any other Member of the Committee w...
Lord Whitty | 690 c264-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for my noble friend’s assurance as far as it goes and, as I said, I will not press thi...
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Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c260GC (Link to this contribution)
I see. That is extremely helpful and no doubt it will give us food for further debate later on.
Viscount Astor | 690 c259GC (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of Statebring forward regulations, so that there will be parliamentary scrutiny?
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c258GC (Link to this contribution)
What a very interesting question. Help is by household, defined as husband, wife and dependent child...
Bishop of Manchester | 690 c253-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for so kindly giving way. I gave notice at Second Reading that I would be press...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c254GC (Link to this contribution)
Long before the notes came across, the answer was plain to the Minister—I want to reassure the right...
Viscount Astor | 690 c248GC (Link to this contribution)
If the BBC or the Secretary of State holds at least 51 per cent of the ordinary share capital and ha...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c286GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his remarks. I am not entirely reassured—but partly. I beg leave to withdra...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c280-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I support in principle what the noble Lord, Lord Howard, has put forward. In a way, it is rather sur...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c282-3GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 26:
26: After Clause 5 , insert the following new Clause—
““Commencement and d...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c279GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 23:
23: Clause 3, page 3, line 29, leave out paragraph (b)
The noble Lord sai...
Viscount Astor | 690 c268-9GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 15:
15: Clause 1 , page 2, line 6, at end insert—
““( ) The National Audit Off...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c266-7GC (Link to this contribution)
A key requirement of the help scheme is that it provides suitable equipment to those eligible for as...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c260GC (Link to this contribution)
That was clause 39 of the BBC agreement.
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c260-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. I was not the slightest bit baffled by his statements about how the scheme’s c...
Lord Whitty | 690 c261-3GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 13:
13: Clause 1 , page 2, line 3, at end insert ““or otherwise face excessive...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c260GC (Link to this contribution)
It will be part of the brief for Digital UK to develop those lines of communication with voluntary n...
Viscount Astor | 690 c259GC (Link to this contribution)
I am not entirely clear about that. I am not aware that the BBC charter and agreement go into detail...
Lord Maxton | 690 c258GC (Link to this contribution)
Let us take the earlier example of a dependent who is a partially sighted child, to whom help has be...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c258GC (Link to this contribution)
Presumably, it remains with the parents, but the disadvantaged, partially sighted student will be he...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c258GC (Link to this contribution)
The problem is that that is not the case. It depends on when switchover takes place. By the Minister...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c257-8GC (Link to this contribution)
The philosophy behind the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, is well accepted. I need ...
Lord Maxton | 690 c258GC (Link to this contribution)
This raises one of the problems with the BBC being involved. The TV licence is on a property, a hous...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c256-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 12:
12: Clause 1, page 2, line 2, after ““persons”” insert ““, including perso...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c255GC (Link to this contribution)
Let me just deal with my noble friend’s point about me insulting the over-75s. I would not dare to a...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c251-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords who have contributed to this interesting group of amendments, although ...
Viscount Astor | 690 c251GC (Link to this contribution)
My Amendment No. 10 is grouped with the noble Lord’s amendment, although it is on a slightly differe...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c248-9GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 5:
5: Clause 1, page 1, line 13, at end insert—
““( ) A local authority may, a...
Bishop of Manchester | 690 c249GC (Link to this contribution)
If I may interrupt at this point, I and several other noble Lords touched on this at Second Reading....
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c249GC (Link to this contribution)
We do not have any problems with the arguments made by the noble Lord, Lord Howard of Rising, and it...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c250-1GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 6:
6: Clause 1 , page 1, line 15, leave out paragraph (a)
The noble Lord said...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c247-8GC (Link to this contribution)
The BBC is mentioned in case the scheme needs to be terminated. We have to have provision for action...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 690 c245GC (Link to this contribution)
I am supposed to say what we should do if there is a Division, but I do not think that there will be...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c246GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment tabled by the noble Viscount, Lord Astor. Many of the amendments tabled are ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c245GC (Link to this contribution)
I assure the noble Lord and the Committee that Whitehaven is the crucial location and that the date ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 690 c283GC (Link to this contribution)
I support both amendments if necessary, but certainly the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Ho...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c283-5GC (Link to this contribution)
Let me begin by reassuring the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, that we would never be so arrogant as...
Bishop of Manchester | 690 c287GC (Link to this contribution)
I add my support to the amendment. The same thread has become evident at various points throughout t...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c286-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 28:
28: After Clause 5 , insert the following new Clause—
““Commencement
This ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c279GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his comments, and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by lea...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c282GC (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Clause 5 agreed to.
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c283GC (Link to this contribution)
Just to be helpful to the Minister, there is a choice of sunset clauses on offer. I am sure that he ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c277GC (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Howard, will forgive me for intervening. The Minister made as good ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c275-7GC (Link to this contribution)
That is an unlikely occurrence, given past efforts in this respect. If there is a problem with offen...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c278GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that deeply unsatisfactory reply. I understand, but I have no doubt that we...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c270-1GC (Link to this contribution)
We are revisiting some very well trodden territory here, but why not? The Bill deals with the disclo...
Viscount Astor | 690 c271-2GC (Link to this contribution)
From the Minister’s last remark, one can guess that there will be another raid on the National Lotte...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c272-3GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 2 gives a power to define the kinds of information that can be supplied under Clause 1. Setti...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c273-4GC (Link to this contribution)
It is fair to say that the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee would have made that poi...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c287-8GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness is always sweet reasonableness. If I could take ““soon”” as the definition of whe...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c267GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that careful reply. It will be necessary to read carefully what he said. Cl...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c268GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that considered reply and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment...
Lord Fowler | 690 c269-70GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment proposed by my noble friend. Earlier today, I asked the Minister about the c...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c259GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, raises some interesting points that we want to reflect on.
Ther...
Lord Maxton | 690 c255GC (Link to this contribution)
I am far too rapidly approaching 75, and I find some of what the Minister said rather insulting. The...
Viscount Astor | 690 c253GC (Link to this contribution)
I apologise, but I think the Minister has said something entirely contradictory to what he said on a...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c253GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Viscount is never confused; I have just not succeeded in clarifying the situation as accur...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c248GC (Link to this contribution)
We are talking about the position of the scheme contractor. When the phrase ““any person”” is used i...
Viscount Astor | 690 c248GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the Minister’s response. It seems to me that this clause is not drafted quite as p...
Viscount Astor | 690 c246GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 4:
4: Clause 1 , page 1, line 13, at end insert—
““( ) The Secretary of State ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c246GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that assurance. I hope that this afternoon we will be paragons of virtue an...
Viscount Astor | 690 c247GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his response, but it raises as many questions as it answers. If I ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c247GC (Link to this contribution)
We would certainly be only too happy to fill in additional details if we thought them necessary. We ...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c285-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I understand and support the reasoning behind the amendment. However, for the reasons I shall give, ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c285GC (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 690 c287GC (Link to this contribution)
I also support the amendment. One problem is that so little is known in either House about what is g...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c281GC (Link to this contribution)
The simple fact is that in principle there is absolutely no disagreement between us in what we seek ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c281-2GC (Link to this contribution)
The significant actor on this scene is Digital UK, which has worked closely with all platforms and c...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c278GC (Link to this contribution)
There has been the most serious consideration of where the balance should be struck on what we recog...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c279GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord said this is a probing amendment, and I hope to respond to his probe as effectively a...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c272GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 16:
16: Clause 2 , page 2, line 33, leave out from ““section”” to end of line ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c272GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise briefly to support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Howard. Clearly there seems to...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c270GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Viscount, Lord Astor, made an impeccable case for his amendment, which we support. Indeed,...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c274GC (Link to this contribution)
In a word, no. I cannot see why this should not be in the Bill or why one needs flexibility over a l...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c288GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the Minister could interpret ““soon”” as ““before the next stage of the Bill””.
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c263GC (Link to this contribution)
Although I was not present at Second Reading, I have read the speech of the noble Lord, Lord Whitty,...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c263-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Let me be the second to congratulate my noble friend on having identified an issue to which we inten...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c265-6GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 14:
14: Clause 1 , page 2, line 6, at end insert ““; and
(d) the provision of ...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c260GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord says that he is baffled. I thought that we had agreed that something must happen at a...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c260GC (Link to this contribution)
The more we go into this, the more baffled I am. I first thank the Minister for his undertaking to t...
Bishop of Manchester | 690 c259GC (Link to this contribution)
On several occasions the Minister has talked about the role of voluntary organisations. I wonder whe...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c259GC (Link to this contribution)
I gather that there will be a scheme, which will be published underclause 39 of the BBC charter and ...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c259GC (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that the noble Viscount will be more satisfied by my next answer when I tell him that...
Viscount Astor | 690 c259GC (Link to this contribution)
I have one question for the Minister, for clarification. I shall not ask difficult questions about i...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c255-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his extensive reply. We have teased out some rather interesting aspects. I ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c250GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister.We should remember that in certain multiple occupations, some will be entitled ...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c249-50GC (Link to this contribution)
We are encouraging landlords to work in partnership with residents and be sensitive to their needs a...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c245GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:
1: Clause 1 , page 1, line 2, after ““may”” insert ““, before17th October 2...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c285GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 27:
27: After Clause 5 , insert the following new Clause—
““Annual report
The ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c287GC (Link to this contribution)
I support my noble friend’s amendment. There is a painful lack of detail on how the scheme will oper...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 690 c279-80GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 24:
24: Clause 5, page 4, line 19, leave out from ““council”” to ““a”” in line...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c280GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 25:
25: Clause 5, page 4, line 40, at end insert ““, whether by digital terres...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c281GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. Help can mean providing full information to assist people. All that the amendm...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c278GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 20:
20: Clause 3, page 3, line 18, leave out ““a defence for a person charged ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c277-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the comment made by the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, about the Minister’s brilliance in...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c275GC (Link to this contribution)
I have a certain sense of déjà-vu about debating the burden of proof with the Minister. I must say f...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c274-5GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 16:
16: Clause 2 , page 2, line 33, leave out from ““section”” to end of line ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 690 c270GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the suggestion of my noble friend Lord Astor that the National Audit Office should look at...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c273GC (Link to this contribution)
This is entirely on the basis of information provided by the department; namely, that those items of...
Lord Clement-Jones | 690 c289-90GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply. I thought that at one stage he was going to say not ““open door...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 690 c288GC (Link to this contribution)
As noble Lords will know, I am always eager to treat all aspects of, and consideration on, Bills in ...
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