Parliamentary search - Further Education and Training Bill [HL]

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Further Education and Training Bill (HL) . Explanatory notes HL Bill 6-EN also published.
Monday, 20 November 2006
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Lord Adonis | 688 c372GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: 36: After Clause 9 , insert the following new Clause— ““Directions In sect...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c320-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4: 4: After Clause 1 , insert the following new Clause— ““Area partnership lea...

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Lord Northbourne | 688 c364-6GC (Link to this contribution) I also tried but failed to get the Public Bill Office to accept an amendment. It was not in exactly ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c354GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I addressed these points when I read out the draft regulations, which include the Corpor...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 688 c349-50GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 4 , page 4, line 16, leave out ““may”” and insert ““shall”” Th...

Lord Adonis | 688 c359GC (Link to this contribution) I can certainly reassure the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, that Clause 6 intends the word ““choice”...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c348GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. Having raised a similar subject on a number of occasions in your...

Lord Adonis | 688 c348GC (Link to this contribution) I do not have to hand the list of bodies to be consulted. As I say, these are draft regulations and ...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c312GC (Link to this contribution) We are not in favour of micromanagement either, so we certainly support at least the ethos, or princ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c311GC (Link to this contribution) The board can co-opt advisers but not additional full members of the council.

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his response. I had expected him to say very firmly that part-time...

Bishop of Manchester | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. As always he shows great sympathy for the issues raised from the...

Lord Northbourne | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I do not agree with the noble Lord and I shall bring the matter back on Report.

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c370GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, has mentioned three very important groups—part-time students, the ve...

Lord Adonis | 688 c370-1GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, has said, part-time students are the lifeblood of many colleges. ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c325GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may, first, correct the noble Viscount, Lord Eccles, who referred several times to there b...

Lord Dearing | 688 c320GC (Link to this contribution) How did you know? As a sidelight on leisure learning, I happen to have been looking into languages. ...

Baroness Darcy de Knayth | 688 c360GC (Link to this contribution) Unfortunately, my noble friend Lord Low has had to leave, but I know that he wanted to speak on Clau...

Lord Adonis | 688 c361-2GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the noble Baroness needs to apologise; the noble Lord, Lord Low, came in while s...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c362GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply and for reading from the statement of priorities. Everyone involv...

Lord Norton of Louth | 688 c367GC (Link to this contribution) On a technical point, there is a difference between saying something is not necessary and something ...

Lord Northbourne | 688 c367-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that there are several points. I am more concerned about disadvantaged pupils being prep...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c354GC (Link to this contribution) In drawing together the complexities that the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, who is no longer in his p...

Lord Adonis | 688 c352GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Turner and other noble Lords spoke eloquently about the importance of the Londo...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c357GC (Link to this contribution) It occurs to me that if we are going to have directions given by the Secretary of State, directions ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c342GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response to the amendments to which I spoke. The issue really boils do...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c343GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to point out that the role to be played by the sector skills councils in both the deve...

Lord Adonis | 688 c345GC (Link to this contribution) Was the noble Viscount speaking to Clause 3 stand part or to his Amendments Nos. 19, 22, 24 and 25?

Lord Northbourne | 688 c347GC (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. I support the noble Viscount. I will be speaking on roughly the same subject in re...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c349GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 20 to 22 n...

Lord Adonis | 688 c326-7GC (Link to this contribution) There are a lot of figures here. It would be best for me to write to the noble Viscount to set out t...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c327-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for his response. Before responding directly, I should like to ma...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c334-5GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. Sub-paragraph (v) really extends from Section 10 of the Child...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c332GC (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with the thrust of this amendment, particularly proposed sub-paragra...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c340GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. He has said where the areas of responsibility will be....

Viscount Eccles | 688 c339GC (Link to this contribution) I support the approach taken by the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp. She said in the course of her remark...

Lord Dearing | 688 c309-10GC (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Baroness. I understand why a chairman would be interested in having fewer mem...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c309GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: Clause 1 , page 1, line 6, leave out ““for ““12”” substitute ““10”””” an...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c311GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. We will have to think about whether we want to bring this matter back. We feel...

Lord Adonis | 688 c312-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am devastated that the noble Baroness is not holding her breath for my reply to her amendment. I a...

Viscount Allenby of Megiddo | 688 c309GC (Link to this contribution) If there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn as soon as th...

Baroness Crawley | 688 c372GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Thursday at 2 pm.

Lord Adonis | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) I undertake to consider that further. I appreciate the point that the noble Baroness is making.

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) With that undertaking, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Ame...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c369-70GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: 33: Clause 7 , page 6, line 30, after ““receive”” insert ““part-time or fu...

Lord Norton of Louth | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) I am not persuaded by that argument. I cannot see what harm is being done. As the noble Lord said, t...

Lord Dearing | 688 c323GC (Link to this contribution) At Second Reading I spoke in support of a move to the regions, but I share the concerns expressed ab...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c320GC (Link to this contribution) I entirely take the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, about leisure and work, but I defy...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c320GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Viscount makes a very good point. One interesting feature is that people who go into leisu...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c319-20GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response but I find it rather disappointing. I do not think that he ans...

Lord Adonis | 688 c316-8GC (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, and the sentiments expressed by the noble Vis...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c315-6GC (Link to this contribution) Like the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp of Guildford, we support the noble Lord, Lord Leitch, in viewing...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c316GC (Link to this contribution) I know that this matter concerns priorities and money. However, the Minister will be aware that ther...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c313-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Main Duties of the Co...

Lord Low of Dalston | 688 c361GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister speaks, perhaps I may intervene briefly. I thank the Minister very much for his ...

Bishop of Manchester | 688 c363-4GC (Link to this contribution) In the absence of my friend the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Southwark, who is unable to be ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c367GC (Link to this contribution) There is no way in which I would want off-the-cuff to address an issue on which I would need to take...

Lord Northbourne | 688 c367GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to make the point that the noble Lord has not responded to anything that I said, excep...

Lord Adonis | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I take the points made by the noble Lord and I will reply to them more fully, but it should be made ...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 688 c353GC (Link to this contribution) I thank everybody who contributed to this short debate. I think that everybody acknowledged the impo...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 688 c351-2GC (Link to this contribution) I associate myself with the amendment moved by my noble friend Lady Turner of Camden and with the re...

Lord Dearing | 688 c352GC (Link to this contribution) I too support the amendment. As the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, said, the effectiveness of London a...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c350-1GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness indicated, the support for such a change goes wider than the current Mayor. I ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c357GC (Link to this contribution) Our objective is that the board’s strategy should be produced on the basis of wide consultation, eng...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c354-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Clause 4, page 5, line 4, at end insert— ““( ) provision requiring the...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c354GC (Link to this contribution) I can do nothing other than to thank the Minister and say that I might well need to have a further d...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c341GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. I shall think about it.

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c344-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply and agree with him that greater use of sector skill...

Lord Adonis | 688 c343-4GC (Link to this contribution) I entirely endorse the remarks of the noble Baroness about the importance of the sector skills counc...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c345GC (Link to this contribution) I have listened as carefully as I could to everything that has been said. I must admit to having bee...

Lord Adonis | 688 c346GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Viscount said that there had been a flood of words, most of which, I have to say, were fro...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c345GC (Link to this contribution) I was speaking to Clause 3 stand part.

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c347GC (Link to this contribution) I have a lot of sympathy with my noble friend’s amendments, and I hope that the Minister will reassu...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c328-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7: 7: Clause 2, page 2, line 5, at end insert ““such that each council has bet...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c335-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10: 10: Clause 2 , page 2, line 46, leave out ““financial year”” and insert ““...

Lord Adonis | 688 c329GC (Link to this contribution) We agree with the noble Baroness that it is vital that both the national and the regional learning a...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c337-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 13: 13: Clause 2 , page 3, line 6, at end insert— ““( ) In preparing the guida...

Lord Adonis | 688 c336-7GC (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 10 and 11 and 15 to 17 tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, accord with the ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c340-1GC (Link to this contribution) When I write to the noble Viscount setting out the geographical areas that we expect the 150 local p...

Lord Adonis | 688 c339-40GC (Link to this contribution) I shall first deal with Amendment No. 41, where I can meet most of the issues raised by the noble Ba...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c311-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: After Clause 1 , insert the following new Clause— ““Role of the Council ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c310GC (Link to this contribution) I join the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, in thanking the Minister for keeping us, as always, very w...

Lord Adonis | 688 c310-1GC (Link to this contribution) I was rather hoping that the noble Baroness would go on to give my answer for me; alas, she has left...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c311GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply, but there will already be an enormous amount of streamlining of ...

Lord Tordoff | 688 c372GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until Thursday.

Lord Adonis | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) The question is whether it is necessary. We regard the Learning and Skills Council as a competent bo...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c324-5GC (Link to this contribution) Before I speak to the question whether Clause 2 should stand part of the Bill, I should like to set ...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c325-6GC (Link to this contribution) On administrative costs, the same letter sets the budget for 2007-08 at £219 million. I have to say ...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c322-3GC (Link to this contribution) In speaking to the second two amendments in the group, I refer back to the reference made by my nobl...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c318-9GC (Link to this contribution) If I was being disparaging—I thought I was being more despairing—I can assure the Minister that that...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 688 c316GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to underline that last point. The demography of our country is shifting significantly. As a c...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c313GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply, the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, for her support and my noble ...

Lord Norton of Louth | 688 c313GC (Link to this contribution) I have a general point to make. I appreciate the Minister’s point about not getting rid of the whole...

Lord Adonis | 688 c313GC (Link to this contribution) I think that I need to address the particular areas of service provision that the noble Lord has in ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c366GC (Link to this contribution) We support what the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Manchester and the noble Lord, Lord Northbo...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c359-60GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30: 30: Clause 6 , page 6, line 17, at end insert— ““(dc) act with a view to s...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c361GC (Link to this contribution) I will not say too much because the Minister is already aware from my comments earlier about the rin...

Baroness Darcy de Knayth | 688 c361GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to my noble friend for not realising that he was here. I knew that he had to go, and I l...

Lord Dearing | 688 c366GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to say a few words in support of the arguments put forward by the right reverend Prela...

Lord Adonis | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) That is a profound problem in the education service that we are seeking to address using the measure...

Lord Adonis | 688 c366-7GC (Link to this contribution) In response to the right reverend Prelate, we believe that further education colleges should take th...

Lord Northbourne | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord, but what happens to those children who have, as it is said, ““...

Lord Adonis | 688 c367GC (Link to this contribution) I sought to respond to the noble Lord when I replied to the right reverend Prelate. I took his remar...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c353-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: 26: Clause 4 , page 4, line 40, at end insert— ““(6A) In preparing the str...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 688 c352GC (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment. I shall not repeat the arguments that we have just heard, which I support,...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c359GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reassurance. I hope that the Government will move rapidly towards closi...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c357-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29: 29: Clause 6 , page 6, line 17, at end insert ““of course and place of lea...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c356GC (Link to this contribution) I look forward to receiving the letter. There may well be a difference of view between us. As I said...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c356-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28: 28: Clause 4, page 5, line 4, at end insert— ““( ) provision for securing ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c355-6GC (Link to this contribution) I was glad to hear the supportive remarks of the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, about the membership o...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c342-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 18: 18: After Clause 2 , insert the following new Clause— ““Sector Skills Coun...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c346-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19: 19: Clause 4, page 3, line 37, leave out ““directions and”” The noble Vis...

Lord Adonis | 688 c347-8GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can address the concern raised by the noble Viscount, which was echoed by the two nobl...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c347GC (Link to this contribution) Having seen similar provisions in other legislation, I think I am right in saying that they have bee...

Lord Adonis | 688 c348-9GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may come back to this issue for the benefit of the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee. One of the...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c348GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Viscount responds, I cannot help observing that the Secretary of State may give dir...

Lord Adonis | 688 c333-4GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, has made part of my speech for me. We think the amendment is, as th...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 688 c333GC (Link to this contribution) I see the point of such a body having a declared set of objectives, and proposed sub-paragraphs (i),...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c329-30GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for assuring me that these councils should include all those people we...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c330-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: Clause 2 , page 2, line 35, at end insert ““which must include a duty to...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c337GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. On the first group of amendments, he was concerned that what we ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c341GC (Link to this contribution) The local authority will always be notified. I take it that it therefore has the right to express it...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c341GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his comprehensive reply and for addressing many of our concerns. However, w...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c339GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 41 in this group is intended to ensure that local authorities remain involved in decis...

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