Mental Health Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage third day. Clauses 8 to 20 agreed to. New clause under consideration. Part 2 of 2 records.
Mental Health Bill [HL]
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Monday, 15 January 2007,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
688 c517-62 
Session
2006-07
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Mental Health Bill (HL) . Explanatory Notes also published (HL Bill 1-EN )
Thursday, 16 November 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Thursday, 16 November 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Countess of Mar | 688 c544-5 (Link to this contribution)
The argument can be taken yet a step further. The Minister might be amused to know that I am going b...
Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c544 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Royall, expressed the generous wish that she had been on the committee. I, ...
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Lord Williamson of Horton | 688 c543 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment proposed by the noble Earl, Lord Howe. As he stated, 16 and 17 year-olds dee...
Baroness Walmsley | 688 c543-4 (Link to this contribution)
My response to the issue of consent is that it is nonsense that a young person who is deemed compete...
Baroness Barker | 688 c541-2 (Link to this contribution)
As I expected, the noble Baroness went some way to address my fears, but she did not do so entirely....
Earl Howe | 688 c542-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 26:
26: After Clause 20 , insert the following new Clause—
““CHAPTER 2A
Childr...
Baroness Barker | 688 c539-40 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 25:
25: Clause 17 , page 11, line 33, at end insert ““; and
(e) the making of ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c540-1 (Link to this contribution)
Listening to the intervention of the noble Baroness, I wished I had been a member of that Joint Comm...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c538-9 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment No. 24, in conjunction with Amendment No. 23, would remove subsections (3) to (7) of Secti...
Earl Howe | 688 c539 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for that helpful reply. I accept her offer with alacrity. I...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c558-9 (Link to this contribution)
Well, I hope that this will not be an anodyne response. I listened to noble Lords as they graphicall...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c545-6 (Link to this contribution)
It has been an interesting debate. I hope that I can allay the fears expressed by noble Lords. On th...
Baroness Howells of St Davids | 688 c552-4 (Link to this contribution)
My amendment has been linked to Amendment No. 27. It is intended to ensure that children and young p...
Baroness Walmsley | 688 c554-7 (Link to this contribution)
On behalf of Members on these Benches, I support both the amendments, which would ensure that a chil...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 688 c557 (Link to this contribution)
I have a very brief speech. Throughout the National Health Service there have for many years been pr...
Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c557-8 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for speaking and thereby lengthening the debate at this stage of the evening, but in my ...
Earl Howe | 688 c546 (Link to this contribution)
It has been a helpful debate. I welcome the Minister’s constructive response, and I am glad that he ...
Earl Howe | 688 c546-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 27:
27: After Clause 20 , insert the following new Clause—
““Children and youn...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 688 c548-9 (Link to this contribution)
These are important amendments in relation to children and young people and they are what I would de...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 688 c549-52 (Link to this contribution)
It is a regrettable fact of the psychiatric provision in this country that mental health services th...
Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c559 (Link to this contribution)
I do not begin to understand the point the Minister is making. If what he is saying is right, why ha...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c559-60 (Link to this contribution)
That is not what I am saying at all. Essentially, the Mental Health Act is concerned, as it ought to...
Earl Howe | 688 c561-2 (Link to this contribution)
The length of this debate has reflected the undoubted strength of feeling that exists on what is an ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c562 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Murphy | 688 c519-20 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Earl and the noble Baroness outlined very clearly why this amendment should be in the Bill...
Earl Howe | 688 c517-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 20:
20: After Clause 7 , insert the following new Clause—
““High doses
After s...
Baroness Barker | 688 c527-8 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may just respond to the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay. In drafting the amendment people were...
Earl Howe | 688 c528 (Link to this contribution)
I hope this is a matter that all of us on the Committee can sign up to, at least in principle, witho...
Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c526 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment. It has been moved with great cogency by the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, wh...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 688 c526-7 (Link to this contribution)
I hesitate to draw attention to any of the wording of the amendment in the light of the two previous...
Earl Howe | 688 c521 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his full reply. While I had not expected him to accept the amendme...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c520-1 (Link to this contribution)
This has been an interesting short debate. I do not disagree with the noble Lords and the noble Earl...
Baroness Murphy | 688 c523-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 21:
21: Clause 12 , page 9, line 5, at end insert—
““( ) Before section 76 ins...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 688 c522-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Minister for her response. I am slightly relieved to hear that the Explana...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c522 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness clearly and rightly wishes in the amendment to rectify an apparent anomaly in the...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 688 c521-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 20A:
20A: Clause 8 , page 5, line 2, at end insert—
““( ) In section 8 of the ...
Earl Howe | 688 c538 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 23:
23: Clause 15 , page 10, line 34, after ““recommendations),”” insert ““is ...
Baroness Neuberger | 688 c538 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment. For many of us, the key point is that one of the people concerned has to be...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c528-9 (Link to this contribution)
This has been an interesting debate. I know that the House discussed these issues at length when we ...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 688 c530-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 22:
22: Clause 13 , page 9, line 32, at end insert—
““( ) In section 45 (gener...
Baroness Murphy | 688 c529-30 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that careful reply. I must confess to being puzzled why it is possible in s...
Baroness Barker | 688 c534 (Link to this contribution)
I added my name to this amendment for a particular reason. The Joint Scrutiny Committee was regularl...
Earl Howe | 688 c533-4 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Patel of Bradford, has very ably articulated the case for the principle of reci...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c535-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to your Lordships for raising this important subject. As noble Lords have said, it is ...
Lord Warner | 688 c535 (Link to this contribution)
I have a good deal of sympathy with the sentiments behind this group of amendments. Certainly no one...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 688 c537-8 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, for their contribution to th...
Baroness Neuberger | 688 c519 (Link to this contribution)
I speak to this amendment from personal experience of chairing an NHS trust with a large mental heal...
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