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Mental Health Bill (HL) . Explanatory Notes also published (HL Bill 1-EN )
Thursday, 16 November 2006
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Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c502 (Link to this contribution) This may be an appropriate moment to move that the House be resumed for the Question for Short Debat...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c500-1 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I shall disappoint the noble Baroness. I thought that today the Government have show...

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Earl Howe | 688 c501-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has resisted the amendment and believes that the good practice approach is appropriate....

Lord Patel of Bradford | 688 c500 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make a brief contribution about Amendment No. 19. In part, the amendment is intende...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 688 c500 (Link to this contribution) It is about time that the Minister accepted an amendment. This seems a good practice amendment, so I...

Baroness Murphy | 688 c499-500 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support this amendment. In particular, I want to speak about the second-opinion appointed ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c498-9 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak briefly in support of this amendment. The noble Earl is absolutely right when he spe...

Earl Howe | 688 c496-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19: 19: After Clause 7 , insert the following new Clause— ““Other treatment sa...

Earl Howe | 688 c496 (Link to this contribution) Of course I accept the point put in that way. The noble Lord, Lord Patel, was surely right: clinical...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c439 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Earl Howe | 688 c441 (Link to this contribution) I support all that the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, has said, and I hope that the Minister will acknowl...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c439-41 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8: 8: After Clause 4 , insert the following new Clause— ““Renewal of detention...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c467-8 (Link to this contribution) Without commenting on the wording of the card, which I have not seen, I state that as a general prin...

Lord Patten | 688 c467 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is being extremely kind in his response, despite my unkind suggestion that he might eve...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c468 (Link to this contribution) I am certainly happy to look at that.

Countess of Mar | 688 c468 (Link to this contribution) When inquiring into these points, the Minister should take the opportunity to look at what is being ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c468-9 (Link to this contribution) There are a number of issues here. I have asked the noble Baroness, Lady Knight, to supply me with s...

Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 688 c468 (Link to this contribution) How quickly can the Minister take the actions that he has said he will? This is now a matter of cons...

Earl Howe | 688 c470-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14: 14: After Clause 7 , insert the following new Clause— ““CHAPTER 1A Treatme...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c463-4 (Link to this contribution) My long-standing and considerable affection for the noble Baroness, Lady Knight, is equalled by my a...

Earl Howe | 688 c459 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to support my noble friend who spoke extremely powerfully on an issue which it is not...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 688 c458-9 (Link to this contribution) In the rehab unit of a local hospital, which was also a place for very ill or dying patients, which ...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 688 c454-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10: 10: After Clause 6 , insert the following new Clause— ““Provision of appro...

Baroness Murphy | 688 c454 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that careful response. There has been a creeping increase in the use of Sec...

Lord Patten | 688 c462 (Link to this contribution) New Tory. That was a Freudian slip, encouraged by the noble Lord, Lord Carlile. How things have chan...

Lord Patten | 688 c460-2 (Link to this contribution) I spoke during the proceedings on the Mental Capacity Bill when it was before your Lordships’ House....

Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 688 c459-60 (Link to this contribution) The situation which the noble Baroness, Lady Knight, described seems to me to amount to nothing shor...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c453-4 (Link to this contribution) As we have heard, Amendment No. 9 would require all civil patients to be detained under Section 2 wh...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 688 c462-3 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to comment on the amendments. The noble Baroness, Lady Knight of Collingtree, has don...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c448-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to those who have taken part in what has become an interesting and lively debate. I ca...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c448 (Link to this contribution) I understand that that is the point that the noble Countess was making, but we are talking about bes...

Earl Howe | 688 c450-1 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness speaks with tremendous authority on this issue, and I can only agree with all tha...

Baroness Murphy | 688 c449-50 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: After Clause 5 , insert the following new Clause— ““Single gateway for t...

Baroness Murphy | 688 c447 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister responds further, it may be helpful through the Committee to inform the noble Ba...

Lord Hylton | 688 c447 (Link to this contribution) I speak as a complete layman in these matters, but in view of the strength and quality of the six sp...

Countess of Mar | 688 c448 (Link to this contribution) The point that I was making was that in fact they will not be responsible for the person throughout ...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c448 (Link to this contribution) In response to the specific case raised by the noble Countess, and her fears, which I entirely under...

Baroness Neuberger | 688 c451-2 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, and the noble Earl, Lord Howe. As many noble Lords know, ...

Baroness Meacher | 688 c452-3 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. I do not want to repeat what other noble Lords have said, but I want to register m...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c447 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, in the House of Lords we have the most distinguished people available in many areas, includi...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c445-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 8 concerns patients whose period of compulsory treatment under the Act has come up for...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 688 c444-5 (Link to this contribution) This issue was put to me very simply by a psychiatrist when we were discussing some of the ongoing p...

Countess of Mar | 688 c444 (Link to this contribution) I heartily endorse what previous speakers have said. I am sorry that I have intervened so late in th...

Baroness Murphy | 688 c443-4 (Link to this contribution) There is one occasion in the 1983 Act, in Section 141, where you can have the renewal of detention a...

Baroness Meacher | 688 c441-3 (Link to this contribution) The Government have rightly upheld the 1983 Act requirement that a detention order, whether made und...

Countess of Mar | 688 c447 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness described the situation for a patient under ideal circumstances. In my experience...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 688 c447 (Link to this contribution) If the patient does not agree with his or her treatment, do they have a right of appeal or the right...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 688 c447 (Link to this contribution) I regret that I do not have that information. I will write to the noble Baroness and place a copy of...

Baroness Neuberger | 688 c491-2 (Link to this contribution) I support everything that the noble Earl, Lord Howe, said and simply add one other piece of evidence...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 688 c492-3 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment No. 18. I have great sympathy with the purpose of this amendment and gr...

Baroness Meacher | 688 c494 (Link to this contribution) I had not planned to speak to this amendment but wish to make one point. I was involved in the devel...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c494-5 (Link to this contribution) Of course I will give careful consideration to the debate. The noble Earl, Lord Howe, said that pati...

Lord Bragg | 688 c493 (Link to this contribution) I support Amendments Nos. 18 and 19, tabled by the noble Earl. We now know that medicines used to tr...

Baroness Chalker of Wallasey | 688 c493-4 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment tabled by my noble friend Lord Howe. The Minister will remember from our deb...

Earl Howe | 688 c496 (Link to this contribution) I am immensely grateful for the authoritative support of the noble Lord, Lord Patel of Bradford, and...

Baroness Barker | 688 c495 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord share with the Committee the basis on which that calculation was made? Perhaps h...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c495 (Link to this contribution) In fairness, these are estimates, and detailed work would need to be done in relation to the amendme...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 688 c488 (Link to this contribution) This sounds really rather concerning. I ask the noble Earl how many sub-standard units there are in ...

Earl Howe | 688 c488 (Link to this contribution) If I may answer that question a little later on, it may be helpful to the Committee.

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c488-9 (Link to this contribution) It is entirely understandable that noble Lords have raised the question of how services are, essenti...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c489 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, will he please answer my question? Why have the Government withdrawn ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c489 (Link to this contribution) I thought that in the previous group of amendments on ECT we debated the issue of consent. I said to...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c489 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Lord. I was absent for part of the previous debate, and I obviously missed ...

Earl Howe | 688 c489-90 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords who have spoken in the debate. I am grateful to the Minister for his reply, whic...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c490 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Earl, Lord Howe, find it helpful if, as well as asking my officials to discuss with ...

Earl Howe | 688 c490-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 18: 18: After Clause 7 , insert the following new Clause— ““Administration of ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c484 (Link to this contribution) I am not in an enviable position as a Minister trying to refer to specific treatment cases when such...

Lord Patel of Blackburn | 688 c478-80 (Link to this contribution) As I have previously declared, I am chairman of the Mental Health Act Commission and as such I have ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c480-3 (Link to this contribution) It is entirely understandable that there should have been a debate about ECT which reflects both his...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 688 c487 (Link to this contribution) Clauses 178 to 184 of the draft Bill of 2004 contained safeguards in relation to ECT. The committee ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 688 c487-8 (Link to this contribution) An area that has not yet been mentioned is the danger of anoxia from poor anaesthetic maintenance te...

Baroness Neuberger | 688 c486-7 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Earl, Lord Howe, in this amendment. I will not speak long, as we are running beh...

Earl Howe | 688 c484-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who spoke in this debate. I am particularly grateful for the suppor...

Earl Howe | 688 c485-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17: 17: After Clause 7 , insert the following new Clause— ““ECT compliance wit...

Lord Bragg | 688 c473 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to support the amendment proposed by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and echo what he said...

Countess of Mar | 688 c473 (Link to this contribution) I also support the amendment. My mother would have been enormously grateful to the noble Earl, Lord ...

Baroness Neuberger | 688 c473-4 (Link to this contribution) Other noble Lords have said a great deal to support the amendments in this group. I shall speak very...

Baroness Meacher | 688 c476-8 (Link to this contribution) I also support Amendment No. 15, tabled in the name of the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and will limit my ...

Lord Acton | 688 c478 (Link to this contribution) Of the studies that the noble Baroness quoted, was the benefit of ECT shown soon after it was given,...

Baroness Meacher | 688 c478 (Link to this contribution) To my knowledge, the effects tend to happen very soon after ECT is given. I think there were studies...

Baroness Murphy | 688 c474-5 (Link to this contribution) ECT is not getting a very good press here tonight. So, while strongly supporting these amendments, I...

Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 688 c475-6 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments and the noble Earl, Lord Howe, in his presentation of them. This is perhaps...

Lord Williamson of Horton | 688 c476 (Link to this contribution) I join the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and others in hoping that the Minister will be able to respond fav...

Lord Patel | 688 c476 (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments. I agree that if there had been an amendment that banned ECT for under 18...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c464-7 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Knight, on taking the opportunity to bring before us what ar...

Earl Howe | 688 c490 (Link to this contribution) That is a helpful undertaking, and I am extremely grateful. I shall withdraw the amendment, of cours...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 688 c469-70 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate more than I can say the very kind and generous way in which the Minister has replied to...

Earl of Onslow | 688 c446-7 (Link to this contribution) Did the noble Baroness alter a single word of her brief from what was written down for her before th...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 688 c496 (Link to this contribution) It would be unfair to say that some of the changes we are making as a result of this Bill are a cost...

Baroness Murphy | 688 c483-4 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord finishes, I should like to press him on Section 62 emergency treatment and rem...

Baroness Murphy | 688 c487 (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl, Lord Howe, and the noble Baroness, Lady Neuberger, have said it all. I know that the...

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