Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion for proceedings in Committee, on Report and Third reading agreed to on question (formal).
Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Bill
Debate on bills on Monday, 18 December 2006,
in the House of Commons,
led by Baroness Jowell.
The answering
member was Lord Swire.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
454 c1173-245 
Session
2006-07
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 3-EN also published.
Thursday, 16 November 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 16 November 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Alun Michael | 454 c1186 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to give pleasure to the hon. Gentleman. I appreciate that he did not want an interrup...
Lord Swire | 454 c1186-7 (Link to this contribution)
What is good news is the brevity of the right hon. Gentleman’s question. It is the first time that w...
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Alun Michael | 454 c1186 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Swire | 454 c1186 (Link to this contribution)
With great delight.
Mark Harper | 454 c1186 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend should note that the Ministry of Defence has a responsibility in the matter, in terms...
Lord Swire | 454 c1186 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. I shall say something about that, and we will return to the matter in Commi...
Alun Michael | 454 c1184 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Swire | 454 c1184-6 (Link to this contribution)
I shall make some progress, but I will give way in due course. For the record, can the Secretary of ...
Julie Kirkbride | 454 c1184 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that it is ironic that a regressive tax will be used to fund the assistanc...
Lord Swire | 454 c1184 (Link to this contribution)
I may disagree with my hon. Friend on that point, but later, I shall try to tease out from the Gover...
Alun Michael | 454 c1200-1 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. People need such information and the point that I was making—the...
Roger Williams | 454 c1201 (Link to this contribution)
Before the right hon. Gentleman moves on from discussing Wales, will he acknowledge that one of the ...
Michael Fabricant | 454 c1195 (Link to this contribution)
While we want to see the most vulnerable given the opportunity to go digital as the Bill describes, ...
Paul Robert Holmes | 454 c1195 (Link to this contribution)
There is a possible disincentive, but the Ofcom tracking survey suggests that many people from the v...
Richard Younger-Ross | 454 c1195 (Link to this contribution)
Is not one of the difficulties with forcing everyone to wait to receive help at the same time that i...
Paul Robert Holmes | 454 c1195 (Link to this contribution)
The delay will cause that problem, and it is also doubtful whether enough people will have been trai...
Alun Michael | 454 c1199-200 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute and it is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for C...
Fraser Kemp | 454 c1200 (Link to this contribution)
The use of video recorders is a point that has been raised with me. I accept that video recorders ar...
David Drew | 454 c1196 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the BBC appears to spend more and more time advertising its digit...
Paul Robert Holmes | 454 c1196-9 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point, but given that 75 per cent. of households have already swit...
Michael Moore | 454 c1191 (Link to this contribution)
I can tell the hon. Gentleman and the hon. Member for Carlisle (Mr. Martlew) that there is cross-par...
Russell Brown | 454 c1191-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right. Other Members will probably be astonished to learn that the 30-minute n...
Paul Robert Holmes | 454 c1192-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill is a narrow part of the much wider digital switchover process. The Liberal Democrats welcom...
Chris Bryant | 454 c1187 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there must be a choice of platforms across the whole country? So ...
Lord Swire | 454 c1187-9 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has been assiduous in referring to this problem and has spoken for his constituen...
Russell Brown | 454 c1189-90 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you for calling me, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am not sure whether I should declare an interest as ...
Michael Fabricant | 454 c1191 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has raised an important point, as did the hon. Member for Carlisle (Mr. Martlew)....
Russell Brown | 454 c1191 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is correct. There are technical difficulties in all this, which are way beyond my...
Eric Martlew | 454 c1191 (Link to this contribution)
If it were not for the Solway my hon. Friend and I would be neighbours, and we share the Border tele...
Russell Brown | 454 c1191 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend and—were it not for that stretch of water—near neighbour. He and I are o...
Robert Syms | 454 c1216-8 (Link to this contribution)
At last, as my hon. Friend says. It is remarkably difficult to cost such a scheme because nobody kno...
Alun Michael | 454 c1231 (Link to this contribution)
We should note that Russell T. Davies has chosen to live in Manchester, however, and to have the ass...
Sian C James | 454 c1230-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to have this opportunity to speak in the debate and to raise several issues that I have...
Peter Atkinson | 454 c1227-30 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Selby (Mr. Grogan) and I agree with much of what he s...
John Grogan | 454 c1225-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wishart), who ...
Pete Wishart | 454 c1223-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. Councils and local authorities have a vital role t...
John Robertson | 454 c1223 (Link to this contribution)
Unusually, I agree with nearly everything that the hon. Gentleman says. Does he agree that local cou...
Jamie Reed | 454 c1218-21 (Link to this contribution)
It makes a refreshing change to hear Whitehaven mentioned so often in a debate in the House of Commo...
Alun Michael | 454 c1201-4 (Link to this contribution)
It is rightly said that nothing cannot be made to seem even more complicated than when it is describ...
John Robertson | 454 c1211-3 (Link to this contribution)
If the Minister will allow it, I shall say a few points about some speeches that have been made, bec...
John Robertson | 454 c1213-6 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman. I know him well and I understand his point. The scenario that he describ...
Richard Younger-Ross | 454 c1213 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman speaks about people over 60. People do not have to be over 60 to require their ne...
Alun Michael | 454 c1204-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am certainly convinced that those providing the services—people in local authorities and the BBC, ...
Claire Curtis-Thomas | 454 c1204 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend points to the services necessary to protect the vulnerable. He will know that I...
Peter Atkinson | 454 c1210 (Link to this contribution)
What happens if the director-general of the BBC is right, and switchover costs the BBC more than the...
John Whittingdale | 454 c1205-9 (Link to this contribution)
As has been said, the purpose of the Bill is relatively narrow, given that it focuses on one specifi...
Robert Syms | 454 c1216 (Link to this contribution)
I should start by saying that I love watching television. In fact, the one small factor that made me...
Sian C James | 454 c1232 (Link to this contribution)
I know that my right hon. Friend is aware that filming has gone on in his constituency and in mine, ...
Michael Moore | 454 c1232-5 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Swansea, East (Mrs. James), who has continued the the...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 454 c1235-7 (Link to this contribution)
It has been a wide-ranging and interesting debate. We have had 11 speeches from Back Benchers, cover...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 454 c1237-40 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for clarifying that and, if these questions were asked whe...
Alun Michael | 454 c1237 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to interrupt the hon. Gentleman’s flow, but my point was not about asking questions of...
Lord Swire | 454 c1241 (Link to this contribution)
Six hundred million pounds.
Shaun Woodward | 454 c1240-1 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the hon. Member for Wantage (Mr. Vaizey) to his new portfolio. I am sure that he will add ...
Graham Stuart | 454 c1242 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister be specific about the £600 million cost? If the cost ultimately proves greater tha...
Shaun Woodward | 454 c1241-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman seems to have remembered the figure—it is £600 million. He thought that he would ...
Shaun Woodward | 454 c1242-4 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will forgive me if I do not indulge him in giving him an answer to that. [Interru...
David Leslie Taylor | 454 c1173 (Link to this contribution)
I do not doubt the good intentions behind the legislation—in particular universal access—but I am su...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1173 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. He and I are as one in being concerned that there must...
Alun Michael | 454 c1173 (Link to this contribution)
As one side of the argument has been presented so early in the debate, I rise to ask the Secretary o...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1175 (Link to this contribution)
We seem to have some cross-party agreement on this point, which is indeed a good one. I am sure that...
Chris Mullin | 454 c1175 (Link to this contribution)
Am I right in thinking that the changeover is likely to give rise to a great deal of redundant recei...
Chris Mullin | 454 c1175 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way to me again. Ought not her Department to...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1173-4 (Link to this contribution)
Yes. I thank my right hon. Friend for those comments and I pay tribute to the work that he did when ...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1174-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for that, but I am afraid that I am unable to give a specific response on the...
Andrew Mackinlay | 454 c1174 (Link to this contribution)
I gave notice to the Secretary of State’s Parliamentary Private Secretary that I would raise this qu...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1174 (Link to this contribution)
Effectively, a sunset clause will be operated once switchover is complete in 2012. Members might wis...
Greg Knight | 454 c1174 (Link to this contribution)
On the safeguards point raised by the hon. Member for North-West Leicestershire (David Taylor), once...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1177 (Link to this contribution)
I want to make some more progress.
Digital UK, for example, is working closely with the major chari...
Michael Fabricant | 454 c1177 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State is quite right to point out how successful this country has been in ensuring ...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1177 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has studied the matter over many years and makes an important point. We have to e...
Chris Bryant | 454 c1177-8 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State has already made half of my argument about the enormous injustice faced by a ...
Richard Younger-Ross | 454 c1176 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State referred to people buying new digital sets. One of the difficulties is that t...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1175-6 (Link to this contribution)
This is an absolutely critical point. Through Digital UK, retailers have undertaken extensive traini...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1176-7 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to make some progress now, but I am not surprised by the number of interventions, because I h...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1176 (Link to this contribution)
The technical problem is that if one boosts the digital signal, one knocks out or interferes with th...
John Robertson | 454 c1175 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is very gracious in allowing these interventions. Has she had words with the tr...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1175 (Link to this contribution)
Well, the Department of Trade and Industry and the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affair...
Pete Wishart | 454 c1179 (Link to this contribution)
I want to return briefly to the issue of freeview. Given the almost postcode lottery nature of the a...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1179 (Link to this contribution)
The principle of universal access drives this whole policy and, by and large, that also creates for ...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1178-9 (Link to this contribution)
I do not accept the hon. Lady’s conclusion. She will know that Ofcom will publish tomorrow the first...
Julie Kirkbride | 454 c1178 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State is making a very important point, but she has appeared to elide the issue of ...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1178 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend raises a very important point. In fact, progress is being made and public sector land...
Eric Martlew | 454 c1178 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State mentioned the conversion to North sea gas and I am old enough to remember it,...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1178 (Link to this contribution)
Half the channels is absolutely right, but part of the success of freeview has been precisely becaus...
Chris Bryant | 454 c1178 (Link to this contribution)
Half the channels.
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1178 (Link to this contribution)
I do not accept my hon. Friend’s concern that it will be a second-rate service in any sense and I am...
Lord Swire | 454 c1183-4 (Link to this contribution)
I have to confess to a sneaking admiration for the Secretary of State. She certainly does not shirk ...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1181-3 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman will contain his soul in patience for a few minutes, I will set out the costs ...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1179-80 (Link to this contribution)
In which case, I could keep going until 10 o’clock, but I might lose the House if I proceed on that ...
Michael Moore | 454 c1180 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State makes an important case: there are those who will need that support. Given th...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1180-1 (Link to this contribution)
No, there will not be any retrospective provision, because the help scheme is intended to enable peo...
John Whittingdale | 454 c1181 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1181 (Link to this contribution)
This is the last one.
John Whittingdale | 454 c1181 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Secretary of State. She says that she has to balance the need to provide a...
John Whittingdale | 454 c1210-1 (Link to this contribution)
If the BBC can demonstrate that the assistance package will cost more than it was told it would, it ...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1173 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
Digital switchover in the United Kingdom is...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 454 c1179 (Link to this contribution)
No one wants to speak.
Pete Wishart | 454 c1221-3 (Link to this contribution)
I join the overwhelming majority of Members involved in this debate in welcoming the Bill. I think t...
Baroness Jowell | 454 c1179 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid I will now make progress; otherwise nobody else will be able to speak in the debate.
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