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448 c133-82WH

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2005-06

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Changes to primary care trusts. Government response to the Health Select Committee second report session 2005-06 (HC 646).
Wednesday, 8 March 2006
Command papers
House of Commons

Changes to primary care trusts. Health Select Committee second report with proceedings, evidence (HC 646 i-ii not printed separately) and appendices.
Thursday, 15 December 2005
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c172-4WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Chairman of the Health Committee for placing that on the record here, as he has...

Ivan Lewis | 448 c174-8WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my right hon. Friend the Member for Rother Valley (Mr. Barron) on introducing this im...

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Ivan Lewis | 448 c179-82WH (Link to this contribution) I would say to the hon. Gentleman that we give the PCT a significant amount of resource. We give the...

Ivan Lewis | 448 c178WH (Link to this contribution) I will give way first to the hon. Member for Eddisbury and then to the hon. Member for Wellingboroug...

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c178-9WH (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. It may be a point that the Chairman might want to consider by way of intervention ...

Ivan Lewis | 448 c179WH (Link to this contribution) I cannot comment on that immediately. I will write to the hon. Gentleman on that matter.

Peter Bone | 448 c179WH (Link to this contribution) That is a Catch-22 position. The Minister is unable to comment on the case because it is a PCT respo...

Kevin Barron | 448 c134WH (Link to this contribution) I agree and am sure that by the end of August last year those lessons had been firmly learnt from wh...

David Leslie Taylor | 448 c134WH (Link to this contribution) It is not just a question of the shortness of the period. Leicestershire, Northamptonshire and Rutla...

Kevin Barron | 448 c133-4WH (Link to this contribution) May I first welcome the Under-Secretary of State for Health, my hon. Friend the Member for Bury, Sou...

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c134WH (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has made an interesting point that I had not anticipated making, which was ...

Kevin Barron | 448 c134-6WH (Link to this contribution) I think it was. I will want to say something about the transparency issues of that consultation and ...

Kevin Barron | 448 c138WH (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the consultation process should have taken place much earlier and involved people on the gro...

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c138WH (Link to this contribution) As it happens, the Government are to be commended for listening during the Cheshire consultation wit...

Kevin Barron | 448 c138-40WH (Link to this contribution) Again, I am grateful for the fact that there has been local consultation. Clearly, the Government ne...

Richard Taylor | 448 c140-2WH (Link to this contribution) I am very honoured to be called so early in this debate, and revel in the luxury. It is a pleasure t...

David Leslie Taylor | 448 c136WH (Link to this contribution) Two hundred and fifty million pounds represents, or will shortly, about one day’s spend in the NHS. ...

Kevin Barron | 448 c136-7WH (Link to this contribution) I would suggest that the future will tell us exactly about the rights and the wrongs of that. We hav...

Lord Wills | 448 c137WH (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a powerful case. I recognise the pressures that he described, but doe...

Kevin Barron | 448 c137-8WH (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree and perhaps when PCTs amalgamate, the best management will take over the helm of th...

Kevin Barron | 448 c138WH (Link to this contribution) I thought one or two hon. Members would rise to the fly.

Steve Webb | 448 c138WH (Link to this contribution) (Northavon) (LD): The Avon, Gloucestershire and Wiltshire SHA is in my area and the difference betwe...

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c163WH (Link to this contribution) If that had happened in Staffordshire we would have been lumbered with a Staffordshire-wide PCT beca...

Steve Webb | 448 c163WH (Link to this contribution) I am sure that all hon. Members agree that debates such as this are valuable occasions. We owe a deb...

Paul Truswell | 448 c160-2WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely correct to anticipate that I cannot answer that question, but I am sure...

Jim Dowd | 448 c160WH (Link to this contribution) I would not expect the hon. Gentleman to know the answer in detail, but can he compare the actions b...

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c164WH (Link to this contribution) It was not the elected members who did not listen to their electorate; it was the officers of the co...

Steve Webb | 448 c164WH (Link to this contribution) If elected people are not listening to their electorate, any hope of local democratic accountability...

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c163WH (Link to this contribution) It was worse than that.

Steve Webb | 448 c163WH (Link to this contribution) That comment opens a whole can of worms. If we are saying that elected people are not listening to t...

Steve Webb | 448 c164WH (Link to this contribution) I am not an authority on what happened in Staffordshire, but that suggests to me that the elected me...

Paul Truswell | 448 c159-60WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to intrude on the debate as a non-member of the Select Committee. ...

Steve Webb | 448 c165WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman highlights one of the many inconsistencies in the Government’s whole approach to ...

Howard Stoate | 448 c165WH (Link to this contribution) I am listening to the hon. Gentleman’s argument very carefully, but it does not entirely stack up. A...

Steve Webb | 448 c165-8WH (Link to this contribution) That is an elegant characterisation; if only I believed that the process was as carefully worked out...

Howard Stoate | 448 c165WH (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help the hon. Gentleman. They will be commissioning different things. The PCTs will be...

Richard Taylor | 448 c168WH (Link to this contribution) May I point out that one of the huge problems that I faced was when organisations for which I was wo...

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c168WH (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome the Minister to his new position. He and I have had the chance to meet across the Di...

Kevin Barron | 448 c172WH (Link to this contribution) In relation to the hon. Gentleman’s comments, I have had deep concerns since I first raised the ques...

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c168-72WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that contribution. As it happens, I strongly believe that the Government should pi...

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c164WH (Link to this contribution) Absolutely.

Steve Webb | 448 c164-5WH (Link to this contribution) The answer to the problem of tensions within a local area, it seems to me, is more democratic accoun...

Howard Stoate | 448 c148WH (Link to this contribution) Obviously I cannot comment on the hon. Gentleman’s individual circumstances, but I have to agree tha...

Charles Walker | 448 c148WH (Link to this contribution) I share many of the hon. Gentleman’s concerns. The Minister came to the House on 16 May and we were ...

Howard Stoate | 448 c144-8WH (Link to this contribution) Primary care trusts evolved from primary care groups, which replaced health authorities. They were i...

Richard Taylor | 448 c143-4WH (Link to this contribution) The report on PCT mergers reassured us that public health doctors would not be affected by the £250 ...

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c143WH (Link to this contribution) Professor Ashton is well known to me and in the north-west. The point that he is particularly and ri...

Richard Taylor | 448 c142-3WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who is always helpful in putting me straight. The external pan...

David Leslie Taylor | 448 c142WH (Link to this contribution) I can reassure the hon. Gentleman. Charnwood and North West Leicestershire is one of the larger PCTs...

David Amess | 448 c149-52WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point. I was giving Her Majesty’s Government the benefit of the doubt, ...

Charles Walker | 448 c149WH (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend sure that he is getting five PCTs? We were told that we were getting two in Hertfo...

David Amess | 448 c148-9WH (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Minister and I congratulate him on his position. He was not merely an adornment to the...

Steve Webb | 448 c154WH (Link to this contribution) Does not the hon. Lady think that the process is a nonsense and a farce? The people of Staffordshire...

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c153-4WH (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman hints, I think that it was complete self-interest. I do not think that it was ...

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c156WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has been generous in giving way to me for a second time. I congratulate her on a genui...

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c154-6WH (Link to this contribution) It is, to some extent. In fact, we had the same debate; some people in south Staffordshire wanted Ca...

Charles Walker | 448 c153WH (Link to this contribution) I was one of those hon. Members. Clearly, with hindsight, I did a very stupid thing.

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c152-3WH (Link to this contribution) The Health Committee report on changes to primary care trusts was extremely timely. It was published...

Stephen O'Brien | 448 c153WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes an important point. However the ministerial team as it then was dealt with repre...

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c153WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must be responsible for his own stupidity, but I shall be coming to the point abo...

Peter Bone | 448 c156-9WH (Link to this contribution) It is a great honour to follow the hon. Member for Staffordshire, Moorlands (Charlotte Atkins), who ...

Charlotte Atkins | 448 c156WH (Link to this contribution) I agree absolutely with that. That is why it is important that the Government must always listen to ...

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