Government of Wales Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 6 June 2006, in the House of Lords.

Government of Wales Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Clauses 93 to 161 agreed to, clause 160 agreed to as amended. Schedules 5 to 9 agreed to. Schedules 10 to 12 agreed to as amended. Remaining clauses agreed to. Bill reported as amended. (HL Bill 121).

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Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

682 c1138-97, 1215-52

Session

2005-06

Department

Wales Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Government of Wales Bill. Brought from Commons. Explanatory notes HL Bill 81-EN also published.
Wednesday, 1 March 2006
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1138 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1149 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister, and I recognise the profound intellectual perspicacity of the shadow ...

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Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1149-50 (Link to this contribution) I have to repeat a point I just made: if this provision did not exist, the Assembly could be severel...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1148 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 60A:"Page 51, line 21, leave out subsection (7)." The noble Lord said: I can de...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1148-9 (Link to this contribution) As we have heard, Amendment No. 60A would remove Clause 93(7), which is included to help interpret w...

Lord Fraser of Carmyllie | 682 c1145-6 (Link to this contribution) I have considerable sympathy with the proposal of the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, because I thought tha...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c1146-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the measured and courteous way in which he responded to my amendment. I als...

Earl of Mar and Kellie | 682 c1145 (Link to this contribution) If the people of Wales wish to proceed at a different speed towards greater devolution than the Gove...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1150 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61A:"Page 51, line 29, leave out paragraph (b)." The noble Lord said: In moving...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 682 c1150 (Link to this contribution) For once, I find myself in support of what the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, said. All the subsection ...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1150 (Link to this contribution) I am more than grateful to the noble Lord for his intervention. It reinforces the importance of the ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c1141 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may answer that. Our party is for devolution in England, but I am quite happy for the Engl...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1141 (Link to this contribution) : So the answer is that the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, would approve of an English parliam...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c1141 (Link to this contribution) Yes.

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1141 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has, as he always does, put forward a cogent case for his amendment. We find ourselve...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c1138-41 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 60:"Page 51, line 2, leave out from ““competence”” to end of line 24 and insert ...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1141 (Link to this contribution) Does it follow from the logic of the noble Lord’s argument that he would be a supporter of an Englis...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1141-3 (Link to this contribution) As we have heard, the amendments in this group would change how the Bill defines the matters on whic...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1143-4 (Link to this contribution) I seek to add to the impeccable logic of my noble friend. I am sure that he will address the points ...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 682 c1144 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. I have three brief points to make. I am very surprised that the Conservativ...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1144-5 (Link to this contribution) After hearing that speech and the remarks of my noble friend, I hope that when we come to Part 4 the...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I apologise if I used the word ““modification””. It is clear from my proposed amendment to Clause 94...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I will be more than happy to write a second letter to the noble Lord, setting out in considerable de...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I shall add a few words to what I have already said. The noble Lord has suggested that a field canno...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1150-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 61A, on which I believe Amendment No. 61B is consequential, would prevent an...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1156-7 (Link to this contribution) We owe a great debt of gratitude to the noble Lord, Lord Rowlands, for raising these important issue...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 682 c1156 (Link to this contribution) I regret that I did not put my name to the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Rowlands, because his s...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1154-6 (Link to this contribution) The spirit in which the noble Lord, Lord Rowlands, has moved his amendment is entirely shared by all...

Lord Rowlands | 682 c1152-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61C:"Page 51, line 40, at end insert—" ““( ) An Order in Council under thi...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister. In those circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1157-8 (Link to this contribution) We owe my noble friend a debt of gratitude for triggering an important part of the debate on how the...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1220 (Link to this contribution) I warmly support the amendment, but I have a question. Why is it suggested that the Assembly legisla...

Lord Prys-Davies | 682 c1218-9 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding that injunction by the noble Lord, Lord Roberts of Conwy, I should like to take the ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1220-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate, not least to the noble Lord, Lo...

Lord Prys-Davies | 682 c1220 (Link to this contribution) I, too, have been baffled by that wording and I had so informed the BMA in Wales. It appears to me t...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 682 c1222 (Link to this contribution) While the Minister is on his feet, will he clarify something for me? If I understood correctly, he s...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 682 c1215-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 92:"After Clause 115, insert the following new clause—" ““PUBLICATION OF LEGIS...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1197 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. In moving this Motion, I suggest that the Committee stag...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1218 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the new clause and have put my name to it. It is promoted by the Law Society and sup...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 682 c1217-8 (Link to this contribution) I put my name to the amendment as well, and would like to try to explain briefly why it is incredibl...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1227-8 (Link to this contribution) The purpose of Amendment No. 94 would be to allow anyone making payments into the Welsh Consolidated...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1226-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 94:"Page 64, line 15, at end insert—" ““( ) Any person making a payment in...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1225-6 (Link to this contribution) As was pointed out in a debate in another place, the issue of funding for Wales, to which this amend...

Lord Prys-Davies | 682 c1222-3 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend on the Front Bench made the fair point that it may not be for this Bill to prescribe...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1222 (Link to this contribution) I realise that there are issues with the precise detail of legislation. First, however, I have shown...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1224-5 (Link to this contribution) I think that this is one of the most bizarre amendments that I have read, even from the Liberal Demo...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1223-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 93:"Before Clause 117, insert the following new clause—" ““ALLOCATION OF FUNDS...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 682 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I am more grateful for the last sentence the Minister uttered than for anything else that he has sai...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I hear what my noble friend says, and I recognise that he has drawn attention to an issue where ther...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1251-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 114 to 127:"Page 172, line 36, after ““Assembly”” insert ““constituted by the ...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1252 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 128 and 129: "Page 197, leave out lines 7 and 8." "Page 198, line 40, at end...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1250 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps I may express the same thanks to my colleagues, to the peop...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1250 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his explanation and to the Government for their amendments to the ...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1250 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may add to what the Minister has said. We very largely agree with his summation of the sit...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1248-50 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that an Order in Council converting framework powers into measure-making powers shou...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1251 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 111A:"Page 172, line 32, leave out from ““under”” to ““unless”” in line 33 and i...

Countess of Mar | 682 c1251 (Link to this contribution) Before I call Amendment No. 111A, I must tell noble Lords that there is a mistake in the Marshalled ...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1251 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1250 (Link to this contribution) We associate ourselves with the sentiments that have been expressed from both Front Benches. I thank...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1247 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 108B to 108N:"Page 169, line 44, leave out from ““period,”” to end of line 46 ...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1247-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 110A and 110B:"Page 172, line 13, leave out ““this paragraph”” and insert ““su...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1248 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 111:"Page 172, leave out line 30 and insert ““affirmative resolution by both Hou...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1246 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 107A:"Page 144, line 20, leave out from ““shall”” to end of line 24 and insert “...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1245-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, for that intervention, and the noble Lord, Lord Roberts, a...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1247 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 108A:"Page 90, line 18, at end insert—""““the amendment made by paragraph 60 of ...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1246-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 107B and 107C:"Page 151, line 18, leave out ““Town and Country Planning”” and ...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 682 c1243 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment standing in the name of my noble friend Lord Livsey, especially since the pu...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1245 (Link to this contribution) As a former chairman of the National Rivers Authority I fully understand the need for such a reserve...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1243-5 (Link to this contribution) This is an important topic, and I am not surprised that the noble Lord, Lord Roberts of Llandudno, s...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1241-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 107:"Page 83, line 12, leave out subsections (2) to (6) and insert—" ““(2) The...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1243 (Link to this contribution) I cannot forbear commenting on this amendment to Clause 151, a formidable clause that provides for d...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1240-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for highlighting the issue relating to the content of the accounts and th...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1241 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for setting that out and, in effect, saying that the Treasury will be ...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1239-40 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 103:"Page 71, line 14, at end insert—" ““( ) The accounts must include amo...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1239 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for setting that out so clearly. Obviously it is something that w...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1238-9 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness has explained, Clause 124(3) requires the Welsh Ministers to accompany an annu...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1237-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 102:"Page 68, line 1, at end insert ““under section 117(2)””" The noble Barones...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1237 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. I suggest that the commissioners whom he has tried to use as ex...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1236-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Members of the Committee who tabled the amendments. They may be probing so far ...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1232 (Link to this contribution) As the question of loans has been raised I simply cannot resist the invitation given me by the Minis...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1233 (Link to this contribution) I agree with what the Minister has said. I did an off-the-cuff calculation at nearly 4 per cent of £...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1233 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, the Liberal Democrats have financial expertise and understand the relationship between annu...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1232-3 (Link to this contribution) It may not test my advisers but it certainly tests me. If I do not get the answer to that extremely ...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1233 (Link to this contribution) I am enormously grateful for that. I congratulate the noble Lord’s advisers on producing the informa...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1235-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 99:"Page 67, line 39, at beginning insert ““Subject to subsection (2B),””" The ...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1235 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for setting that out clearly, and we will consider it in some detail. ...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1234-5 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the aim of the noble Baroness in tabling Amendments Nos. 98 and 100; however, they are ...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1233-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 98:"Page 67, line 39, at beginning insert ““Subject to subsection (2A),””" The ...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1236 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness said, Amendment No. 110, which is in my name, covers the same point. Its main ...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1228 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. Perhaps I may probe a little further on payments made under Cla...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1228 (Link to this contribution) I shall try. The money goes to Wales on behalf of a UK Minister, and as I said, this would have to b...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1228-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. While I do not want to detain the Committee, I should point out that the Min...

Viscount Simon | 682 c1229 (Link to this contribution) Before calling Amendment No. 95, I should point out to Members of the Committee that if it is agreed...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1229-30 (Link to this contribution) I probably should have raised this point on the previous amendment. My noble friend has referred to ...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1229 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 95:"Page 65, line 24, leave out subsections (3) to (7)." The noble Baroness sai...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1230-1 (Link to this contribution) Clause 119 deals with those sums that need to be paid into the Welsh Consolidated Fund and those tha...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1230 (Link to this contribution) We, too, support the amendment. Some pertinent questions have been asked.

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1232 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 97:"Page 66, line 13, leave out ““£500 million”” and insert ““£100 million””" T...

Baroness Noakes | 682 c1231-2 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the Minister did not feel able to respond to my noble friend Lord Crickhowell’s poin...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1158-9 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely the case. Not only might more measures be proposed under the powers granted by a s...

Lord Rowlands | 682 c1159 (Link to this contribution) If there is a subsequent measure beyond the first measure, does that not have to stay within the ter...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1159 (Link to this contribution) No, that would not be possible. The Order in Council specifies the area of competence of the Assembl...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1159-60 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I take up the rather good example given by the ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c1158 (Link to this contribution) Am I right in thinking that once legislative competence has been granted in a particular field by an...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1160 (Link to this contribution) What the noble Lord is referring to in his mention of Clause 94(3) is implicit also in the approach ...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1160 (Link to this contribution) I reinforce that point by saying that it adds further weight, if I may respectfully say so, to the a...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c1161-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall give my understanding of this matter. Schedule 5 already contains 20 fields, under each of w...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1160-1 (Link to this contribution) If I may say so, with great respect to the noble Lord, it is a bit rich of him to accuse the Opposit...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c1162 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the noble Lord said. It indicated just how confused and complicated this mechanism is. T...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 682 c1162 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the Minister what is probably an unbelievably na&-uml;ve question. I am not sure t...

Lord Rowlands | 682 c1162 (Link to this contribution) I challenge the noble Lord with some trepidation, because he is obviously experienced and knowledgea...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1163-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords, who sought to be constructive and helpful with their interjections...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1164-5 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening with the greatest care to what the Minister has said. I find it very difficult...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 682 c1162-3 (Link to this contribution) The situation is not entirely free of confusion. So that I can be sure that I understand the positio...

Lord Prys-Davies | 682 c1163 (Link to this contribution) I, too, would be grateful if the Minister could clarify a point that arises from the contribution ma...

Lord Rowlands | 682 c1166 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to all those who have contributed to the debate. I was not sure that I had t...

Lord Richard | 682 c1165-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall add briefly to the Minister’s troubles by trying to be helpful. I want to look at this conc...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 682 c1165 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that the situation is not so fundamentally different from what it was in the old...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1166-7 (Link to this contribution) If what the noble Lord now says is right, I am, at least in part, reassured. But my remarks were pro...

Lord Rowlands | 682 c1167 (Link to this contribution) I hope that when my noble friend replies he will make clear that any draft Order in Council brought ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c1167 (Link to this contribution) I refer to energy, which is not one of the fields at the moment. Suppose the Welsh Assembly Governme...

Lord Rowlands | 682 c1167-8 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, does not distinguish between the issues in the Bill. My nob...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1168 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. He has, indeed, responded to my amendments as I requested, and it w...

Lord Rowlands | 682 c1168-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, for his response. When my noble friend said there w...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1169-70 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 62:"Page 51, line 41, leave out subsection (4)." The noble Lord said: Amendment...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1170-1 (Link to this contribution) The Committee will not be surprised that the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, alighted on this issue and ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1171-2 (Link to this contribution) I understand the anxiety of the noble Lord. He will also recognise that if it worries him, it would ...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for his reply. The circumstances in which concerns could arise ...

Lord Sewel | 682 c1174 (Link to this contribution) The amendment may or may not be attractive, but one thing it clearly is not is devolution. The whole...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1174 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may say to the Minister that for the sake, for example, of improving relations with the Eu...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1174 (Link to this contribution) Admittedly.

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1174 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has taken the argument to its absolute extreme to pray in aid the force of his approa...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1173-4 (Link to this contribution) To take an example that would carry the direction of my argument to its limit, let us suppose that t...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1173 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is correct in principle in that specific description.

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I want to make sure that I have understood properly what the noble Lord, Lord Livsey of Talgarth, is...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1172-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 63:"Page 52, leave out lines 2 to 4." The noble Lord said: This amendment would...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1172 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his response, which partly reassures me because I think that ...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1174-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, for putting much better than I could the Government...

Lord Henley | 682 c1184-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall briefly offer my support and that of the Front Bench to my noble friend Lord Crickhowell on ...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1183-4 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrats have an amendment in this group. Amendment No. 84 seeks to transfer to the Ass...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 682 c1187 (Link to this contribution) I join the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, in a wariness regarding the amendment from the Conservat...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 682 c1185-7 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, has been fairly generous and general in his condemnation of the st...

Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 682 c1177-9 (Link to this contribution) I shall attempt to give that clear explanation. It would be unusual for the Bill not to include a pr...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1177 (Link to this contribution) I briefly intervene because, as on previous occasions, I turn to the Explanatory Notes on the Bill, ...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1179-83 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 78:"Page 57, line 12, leave out ““two-thirds”” and insert ““51 per cent””" The ...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1179 (Link to this contribution) I am aware of the distinction between Private Members’ Bills and private Bills; but it is always rea...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1176-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 69:"Page 53, line 25, leave out subsection (2)." The noble Lord said: Amendment...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1175-6 (Link to this contribution) I may not be able to withdraw the amendment for the reasons given by the Minister, but I might be ab...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 682 c1189 (Link to this contribution) While appreciating that the Secretary of State is not acting as a mere dummy in this matter and that...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1189 (Link to this contribution) Of course some judgment has to be made by the Secretary of State, otherwise the Conservatives would ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1188 (Link to this contribution) No. If the noble Lord, Lord Henley, reads the Bill carefully, he will recognise that what is being s...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 682 c1191-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for giving way. I said that I would withdraw completely any imputation as to ...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1190-1 (Link to this contribution) This has been a fascinating short debate. The Minister made two arguments, really. In defending the ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1189-90 (Link to this contribution) I think that that is right, but the Secretary of State has responsibilities. Therefore it is entirel...

Lord Henley | 682 c1188 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord seems to be saying that, with the two hurdles put in place, only one man or possibly ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1187-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all Members of the Committee who have spoken in the debate. As and when the referen...

Earl of Mar and Kellie | 682 c1187 (Link to this contribution) I am interested to see that a new constitutional principle is arising whereby one of the devolved as...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1194-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that further clarification. I note that he views with some disfavo...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1194 (Link to this contribution) Of course, the order would be the result of very considerable consultation on the nature of the refe...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1196-7 (Link to this contribution) The Government have carefully considered the points raised in this amendment. We are still firmly of...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1197 (Link to this contribution) That is an obligation, which the Government will fulfil.

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1197 (Link to this contribution) Will the Electoral Commission be consulted on the nature of the question by the Assembly and the Gov...

Lord Crickhowell | 682 c1192 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to carry the debate any further tonight. We will probably have an opportunity to do ...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1194 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his comments on the amendments in this group. They are primarily p...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c1193-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for the precise way in which he has explained his amendments, but I ...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1197 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his reply, which is unprecedented in that we have learnt that the ...

Lord Kingsland | 682 c1151 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for his clarification. I think that he sees the source of my co...

Lord Henley | 682 c1189 (Link to this contribution) If the Assembly decides by an overall majority or unanimously to have a referendum, does it not rema...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1195-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 83:"Page 115, line 8, at end insert—" ““( ) Both the question to be includ...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 682 c1192-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 80:"Page 57, line 16, at end insert—" ““( ) The draft of any statutory ins...

Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 682 c1226 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the responses I have received to this amendment are entirely predictable, because the...

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Devolved matters

Conservation

Devolution

Delegated legislation

Assembly measures

Finance

Legislative competence

Functions

Grants

Legislation

First ministers

National Assembly for Wales

Referendums

Parliamentary scrutiny

Politics and government

Loans

Ministers

Publishing

Water supply

Wales

Welsh Government

Welsh Water

National Assembly for Wales Commission

Welsh Consolidated Fund

Legislation

Government of Wales Bill 2005-06

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