Terrorism Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 28 February 2006, in the House of Lords.

Terrorism Bill. Consideration of Commons amendments. Motion to insist on certain Lords amendments and not others agreed to. Motion to agree to certain Commons amendments in lieu and disagree to others agreed to. Certain Commons amendments disagreed to. Committee appointed to propose reasons for insistence on Lords amendments and disagreement to Commons amendments. Reasons reported and agreed to. Bill returned to the Commons with reasons.

Type

Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

679 c136-77

Session

2005-06

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Commons amendments

Procedure

Government defeats

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Terrorism Bill 2005-06. Commons amendments and reasons
Thursday, 16 February 2006
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c139 (Link to this contribution) We have considered them, my Lords, but it is clear, from what has been said both in this House befor...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 679 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if it is shown in the light of experience that this clause meets with judicial disfavour, ...

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Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course there will be an opportunity for us to do so if that proves to be the case. It h...

Lord Kingsland | 679 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has just said something important to the House. In the light of her response ...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c136 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the Commons amendments and reasons be now considered. Moved accordingl...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c136-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Motion A, that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 5, 11, 15, 28,...

Lord Goodhart | 679 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, has the Minister considered the views of the Joint Committee on Human Rights about the vag...

Lord Kingsland | 679 c148 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as usual, the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, is quite correct. From our point of view the cruc...

Lord Goodhart | 679 c148 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, can he confirm that his Motion A3—as it does not insist o...

Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 679 c149-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to explain why I certainly support Motion A. To remove all references to glorificat...

Lord Tebbit | 679 c148-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak as one whose vote on this matter is still essentially up for grabs. That may not b...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 679 c150 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that the noble Baroness appreciates that in the subsection to which she has just...

Baroness Park of Monmouth | 679 c150-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall make a totally different and very small point. I was very concerned by what the no...

Lord Judd | 679 c151-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the will of the Commons should ultimately prevail. That is a constitutional principle to w...

Lord Hurd of Westwell | 679 c153-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene briefly because of what the noble Baroness, Lady Ramsay, quite rightly said—th...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 679 c154-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Hurd, has spoken some extremely wise words both on the nature of mani...

Lord Grabiner | 679 c155 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be extremely brief because I suspect that all the points that could have been made ...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 679 c158-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, most of what I wanted to say has already been said, and probably more elegantly than I wou...

Lord Ahmed | 679 c157-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at Second Reading and in Committee I expressed my concerns on the glorification clauses. I...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 679 c155-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to make one or two points that have not yet been made. I agree with the general thr...

Lord Tebbit | 679 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what gives me some unease is that not only may the facts be brought into play in the decis...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is always going to be important in every single prosecution to look at where the public...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 679 c159-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is necessary to look briefly at how ““glorification”” has come to be in this legislatio...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that we can say without fear of contradiction that we have had yet again a compreh...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 679 c161-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit, not absolutely right? Go to Belfast today and look at the ...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c173 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is precisely why we have to work so hard on international co-operation. As I indicate...

Lord Avebury | 679 c173 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness spoke of ““chasing around”” the Internet. Does that imply that this leg...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand the proper concerns of the noble Baroness and the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, ...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 679 c171-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure there are many who will feel a sense of weariness at the thought of having to pi...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c166-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 22, 23 and 29, to which ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 679 c163 (Link to this contribution) rose to move, as an amendment to Motion A, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do ins...

Lord Glentoran | 679 c162 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, many might think that those are very beautiful images.

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c162 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the point is that the legislation we are putting through the statute book will apply from ...

Lord Goodhart | 679 c177 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have probably spent long enough on the Bill in your Lordships’ House this afternoon. Am...

Lord Goodhart | 679 c177 (Link to this contribution) rose to move, as an amendment to Motion C, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do not insis...

Lord Goodhart | 679 c173-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this debate has been brief and I accept that the issue is not as important as the previous...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 25, 26 and 27; and do ag...

Viscount Ullswater | 679 c177 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have to inform the House that if Amendment C1 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment C2.

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 679 c145-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not contend that for one moment. I far prefer the amendment now suggested by the nobl...

Lord Kingsland | 679 c146-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first I shall deal with a matter that the noble Baroness raised early on in her speech—the...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 679 c144-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support the Motion of the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, and speak also to my Motion...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c145 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I ask the noble and learned Lord whether he therefore contends that there is no distinctio...

Bishop of Oxford | 679 c140 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness and thank her for allowing me to intervene. I a...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c140 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have that opportunity. We have to deal with the response to the current Act. The other ...

Lord Brabazon of Tara | 679 c141 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before calling Motion A1, I have to inform the House that if Motion A1 is agreed to, I can...

Lord Goodhart | 679 c141-4 (Link to this contribution) rose to move, as an amendment to Motion A, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 679 c140 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. Can the noble Baroness help me and the whole...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c140-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, most importantly, we do not look at the issue of glorification in isolation; we have to co...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 679 c139-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it will and could include such a consideration, because I am conscious that noble Lords wi...

Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 679 c150 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I refer the noble Lord to subsection (4)(b) and,"““a statement from which those members of...

Lord Goodhart | 679 c169-71 (Link to this contribution) rose to move, as an amendment to Motion B, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on...

Lord Goodhart | 679 c162-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a very valuable debate, lasting close to two hours. I thank all those who have...

Lord Glentoran | 679 c156-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not intend to speak on this Bill, but I feel strongly about the glorification issue....

Subjects

Incitement

History

Terrorism

Encouragement of terrorism

Legislation

Terrorism Bill 2005-06

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