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NHS Reorganisation

Opposition day on Tuesday, 7 February 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Stephen O'Brien. The answering member was Jane Kennedy.
NHS reorganisation. Thirteenth opposition day debate (part 2). Motion negatived on division (216 to 291). Amendment agreed on question.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
442 c792-849 
Session
2005-06
Department
Department of Health
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Thursday, 15 December 2005
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 442 c813 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind right hon. and hon. Members that Mr. Speaker has imposed a 10-minute limit on Back-B...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c799-800 (Link to this contribution) I fully accept that my hon. Friend and his constituents are, rightly, deeply concerned. I shall deal...

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Stephen O'Brien | 442 c800 (Link to this contribution) I note what my hon. Friend says. When he met the Secretary of State for Health, she assured him and ...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 442 c798-9 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend consider the Two Shires ambulance trust, shared between Northamptonshire and Buc...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c799 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the example that my hon. Friend outlines. He will derive great comfort from the fa...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c799 (Link to this contribution) I am about to mention Staffordshire, so my hon. Friend might want to hold on. The ambulance tsar, P...
William Cash | 442 c799 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend may know that Staffordshire ambulance trust is regarded as one of the best in the cou...
John Redwood | 442 c802 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell us how much the Department has spent in the past year on management consultant...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c802-3 (Link to this contribution) A tiny proportion of the amount that we spend on administration in the NHS is spent on consultants. ...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c802 (Link to this contribution) I want to finish my comments about the motion. In our manifesto, we said that by removing £250 mill...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c800-1 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, because I am about to end my speech. In their addiction to meddling, the Gover...
Lord Soames of Fletching | 442 c802 (Link to this contribution) The Minister and I will agree that in the past five years the NHS budget has indeed increased substa...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c802 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to see the hon. Gentleman restored to us in good health. When he is not here, the H...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c801-2 (Link to this contribution) I should like a moment to get into my speech, I will give way later, but I am very conscious of the ...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) I will make some progress, if I may. I know that the reconfiguration of strategic health authoritie...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c804 (Link to this contribution) May I make a little progress and then I will be happy to give way to the hon. Member for Bournemouth...
David Leslie Taylor | 442 c803 (Link to this contribution) The House would agree that there is probably no magic number in relation to the size of population t...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c803 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a strong point about the concerns in his area. I will come on to those question...
Jim Cunningham | 442 c803 (Link to this contribution) Surely the answer to the Tory criticisms is that we do not hear so much now about people on trolleys...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c803 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his comments. His analysis is right.
Jane Kennedy | 442 c803 (Link to this contribution) I am spoilt for choice. May I make one more point on the James review, and then I will give way? Th...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c804 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the right hon. and learned Member for Rushcliffe (Mr. Clarke).
John Butterfill | 442 c804 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has been very generous in giving way. She may remember that Bournemouth used to be part...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c804 (Link to this contribution) It is not being driven by regional policy; it is entirely being driven by efficient administration o...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c804 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for Bournemouth, West.
Speaker | 442 c792 (Link to this contribution) We now come to the second Opposition motion debate, on the reorganisation of primary care trusts, st...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House believes the structures of the NHS should serve the needs of the serv...
John Redwood | 442 c793 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a strong case. Is there not a danger that the amalgamation of these trusts ...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c797 (Link to this contribution) I am conscious of the need to get to the end of my remarks to allow more Members to speak. If my hon...
David Howarth | 442 c797 (Link to this contribution) Unlike the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris), I welcome the motion’s proposal t...
Philip Hollobone | 442 c795 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that the chief executive of the Northamptonshire Heartlands primary care tru...
Eric Martlew | 442 c796 (Link to this contribution) I remember that the Conservatives fought the election saying that they would introduce £35 billion o...
Mark Harper | 442 c796 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. Today, the Gloucestershire health community issued a press release and the ...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c797 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who is working hard for his constituents. He recognises that there ...
Rob Marris | 442 c794 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point about reorganisation in the NHS, but will he explain why the...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) I have some respect for the hon. Gentleman’s normal analysis, but he must recognise not only that we...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 442 c793 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. Am I to take it from his remarks that he does not believe in an...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope to mention the hon. Lady in dispatches later in my speech. I am intrigued by her question, be...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c793 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the Scottish Executive would very much like to debate that matter, but this House has...
Jim Devine | 442 c793 (Link to this contribution) When the Conservatives were in power, we had 47 trusts in the Scottish health service. Under the Sco...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c793 (Link to this contribution) Of course I will give way to my neighbour.
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c793 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right. Roll on the time when we are in Government and can introduce English ...
Lord Deben | 442 c793 (Link to this contribution) Although we have no control over the Scottish Executive, the hon. Member for Livingston (Mr. Devine)...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c805 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must contain himself. I will give way in a moment. I agree with what the hon. Me...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c805 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman’s persistence has paid off to the extent that I will undertake to look into the m...
David Heath | 442 c805 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the right hon. Lady. I simply want to speak for my local hospital. For eight y...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 442 c806 (Link to this contribution) : My right hon. Friend is a lady of tact and intelligence and she must know that that, frankly, is a...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c806 (Link to this contribution) I now wish to make some progress because I am conscious of the time, and I know that many Back Bench...
Andrew Turner | 442 c806 (Link to this contribution) I am particularly grateful to the Minister for giving way because I wanted to congratulate her on re...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c806 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that my hon. Friend, whom I regard as a very dear friend, takes such a strong opposite vi...
Lord Wills | 442 c807 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my right hon. Friend on what she has said so far. Does she agree that the reconfigura...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c806-7 (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting point. The difficulties of transport from the Isle if Wight would need to be ...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c807 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, and I agree with him. As with PCTs, there are clear and compelling...
Mark Pritchard | 442 c807 (Link to this contribution) I note the Minister’s comments on ambulances, but might I bring her back to superbugs? Is she aware ...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c808 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady argues strongly that we should listen to local people. I understand that the county co...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 442 c808 (Link to this contribution) On that very point, will the Minister undertake to listen genuinely to the case being made by some l...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c808 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made a sustained and consistent case for the ambulance trust that she knows so we...
Charlotte Atkins | 442 c807-8 (Link to this contribution) : Will my right hon. Friend ensure that the hon. Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O’Brien) understands that...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c809 (Link to this contribution) These changes will enable organisations to work together more effectively to tackle priorities such ...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c809 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, there are one or two of my hon. Friends whom we need to work more closely with to persuad...
Brian Jenkins | 442 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) I have listened with interest to what my hon. Friend has to say, and I ask her please not to take an...
Lord Lansley | 442 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister recall that Peter Bradley’s report said that the number of ambulance trusts should...
Bob Blizzard | 442 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that most hon. Members will want to speak tonight about the reorganisation of the primary ...
Lord Deben | 442 c814 (Link to this contribution) Does my constituency neighbour agree that it is a remarkable fact that the other part of Waveney cov...
Julia Goldsworthy | 442 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that today’s Conservative Opposition day debate will give some flavour of the rapid struct...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c810 (Link to this contribution) The point that the hon. Gentleman makes is not really very valuable. Benefits will flow from working...
Julia Goldsworthy | 442 c811-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that contribution, and that is certainly the feedback that I am getting f...
David Heath | 442 c811 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree, given her experience in her own area, that PCTs had a difficult task in d...
Shailesh Vara | 442 c818 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend says that the consultation process is a sham. Huntingdonshire PCT has already b...
Lord Deben | 442 c818 (Link to this contribution) I cannot speak about Huntingdonshire, but it is clearly a sham when we always have the same answers....
Bob Blizzard | 442 c814-6 (Link to this contribution) When the right hon. Gentleman and I, and every strand of clinical opinion in our area, are in agreem...
Lord Deben | 442 c816-8 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with what the hon. Member for Waveney (Mr. Blizzard) said, and commend him for it. ...
Bob Spink | 442 c821 (Link to this contribution) While the hon. Gentleman is talking about massive changes due to reform, is he aware that Essex stra...
Paul Truswell | 442 c820 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that Conservative Members have a brass neck when it comes to talking about...
Lord Deben | 442 c818-20 (Link to this contribution) I agree with what my hon. Friend said during the rest of his speech as well, which was that we shoul...
Lord Wills | 442 c818 (Link to this contribution) I want to clarify something about ambulance trusts. Earlier, the hon. Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O’Br...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c805 (Link to this contribution) I agree with a significant part of what the right hon. and learned Gentleman said. If I can get to i...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 442 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) May I first say that I agree with the Minister that there are too many of these administrative bodie...
Liam Byrne | 442 c844 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has the opportunity to say that his party’s fiscal rule that the proceeds of econ...
Speaker | 442 c844 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am must be allowed to hear the Minister. I have to hear what he is going to say.
Liam Byrne | 442 c844-5 (Link to this contribution) Turning to the west midlands, the hon. Member for Lichfield (Michael Fabricant) made a powerful and ...
Liam Byrne | 442 c845 (Link to this contribution) No, I must address the remarks made by Conservative Members. We did not hear too much—
Liam Byrne | 442 c845 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way, because I have a bit more to finish. We did not hear too much about the Co...
Lord McLoughlin | 442 c845-6 (Link to this contribution) (West Derbyshire) rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put. Question, Th...
Nadine Dorries | 442 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) The Minister of State, the right hon. Member for Liverpool, Wavertree (Jane Kennedy) and I both come...
Keith Vaz | 442 c837-8 (Link to this contribution) I accept that point, and that is why I want the centre to stay at Goodwood—near the general hospital...
Robert Flello | 442 c837 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that one of the successes of the Staffordshire ambulance service is that ...
Keith Vaz | 442 c837 (Link to this contribution) I agree that such matters need to be put out to consultation, but as I have not stood as a European ...
Nicholas Winterton | 442 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) On PCTs, does the hon. Gentleman not think it very unfortunate that the authorities have put forward...
Keith Vaz | 442 c836 (Link to this contribution) There are grave concerns about the proposals. I do not know the situation in Guildford and that part...
Anne Milton | 442 c836 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way, and I should declare an interest, in that my husband work...
Keith Vaz | 442 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wyre Forest (Dr. Taylor), who owes his parliamentary ...
Richard Taylor | 442 c833-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to have been called because I feel very deeply about the issue. The Government freque...
Robert Flello | 442 c832-3 (Link to this contribution) The clock ticks ever faster, but I am sure that those comments have been heard. Today the Staffords...
Liam Byrne | 442 c844 (Link to this contribution) I shall address the hon. Lady’s remarks directly in a moment, if she will have a little patience. M...
Liam Byrne | 442 c842-3 (Link to this contribution) Our debate this evening has been very good if, in places, a little less consensual than the debate e...
Liam Byrne | 442 c843-4 (Link to this contribution) I know that the Conservative party is firmly fixed in listening mode at the moment, so if the hon. G...
Brooks Newmark | 442 c839 (Link to this contribution) May I draw my hon. Friend’s attention to the situation in my constituency? For more than 10 years lo...
Nadine Dorries | 442 c839 (Link to this contribution) That is highlighted by the cuts detailed in the e-mail; they are all from front-line services and wi...
Andrew Murrison | 442 c839-42 (Link to this contribution) I have been in and around the national health service since 1979. It has been a quarter of a century...
Nadine Dorries | 442 c839 (Link to this contribution) Certainly. Front-line services are paramount. Structures seem to concern the Government, but I ask t...
Anne Milton | 442 c839 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the reforms seem to be less to do with patient care and a patient-cen...
Robert Flello | 442 c831 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention, as it brings me to the point made by the hon. Member for Falmou...
Julia Goldsworthy | 442 c831 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman therefore list any primary care trusts that will either get smaller or stay ...
Robert Flello | 442 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) I would love to have the data to hand to be able to give the answer to that question. The hon. Lady’...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 442 c832 (Link to this contribution) I am listening intently to the hon. Gentleman’s eloquent speech expressing his sincerely held belief...
Grant Shapps | 442 c831 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman tell us how expanding a PCT or an SHA to cover a much wider region would mak...
Robert Flello | 442 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that interesting intervention. The revenues from North sea o...
Rosie Cooper | 442 c831 (Link to this contribution) Widening SHA areas to a regional authority area would resolve some serious anomalies. In my area of ...
Robert Flello | 442 c831 (Link to this contribution) No, I think that the opposite is the case. In north Staffordshire at the moment, there are about a d...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 442 c830 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that between 1979 and 1997, there was a 64 per cent. real-terms ...
Robert Flello | 442 c829-30 (Link to this contribution) I shall deal in turn with the issues of PCTs, SHAs and the ambulance service, but I want to begin wi...
Lord Risby | 442 c827-9 (Link to this contribution) I echo the sentiments that were ably expressed by my hon. Friend the Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O’Bri...
Michael Fabricant | 442 c823-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. In fact, the service’s use of those drugs is beyond the norm...
Paul Farrelly | 442 c824-7 (Link to this contribution) After listening to the two opening Opposition Back-Bench speeches—that of the right hon. Member for ...
Michael Fabricant | 442 c823 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to a fellow Staffordshire Member of Parliament.
Robert Flello | 442 c823 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman mention also that, of all the ambulance services, Staffordshire probably use...
Robert Flello | 442 c823 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Eric Martlew | 442 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. I said at the time that it was nonsense to create three PCTs in the area o...
Eric Martlew | 442 c821 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman wanted to get that in. I have got to know him well over the years and suggest tha...
Lord Lansley | 442 c843 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c793 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is correct. There is always a transfer cost associated with any such move, but ...
Michael Fabricant | 442 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Tamworth (Mr. Jenkins) said that he has no objection to his PCTs merging, as lon...
Jane Kennedy | 442 c809 (Link to this contribution) I happily give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Eric Martlew | 442 c820 (Link to this contribution) I remember that well. My only caveat is that the biggest employer in my constituency is a biscuit fa...
Eric Martlew | 442 c820 (Link to this contribution) I did not really take seriously what the right hon. Member for Suffolk, Coastal (Mr. Gummer) said. I...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c797-8 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear that the hon. Gentleman has come to our view. He is correct that SHAs have lost al...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c796 (Link to this contribution) Apart from the fact that the Government are clearly attempting to fulfil their own manifesto promise...
Keith Vaz | 442 c821 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady said, ““Dog’s breakfast.””
Jane Kennedy | 442 c801 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, To leave out from ““House”” to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:"“...
Stephen O'Brien | 442 c795-6 (Link to this contribution) I gather that wards are also being closed in Northamptonshire. That situation is replicated right ac...
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