Terrorism Bill. Lords third reading and debate on amendments. Motion that Bill do now pass agreed to on question. Bill passed and returned to Commons with amendments
Terrorism Bill
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 1 February 2006,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord Bassam of Brighton.
The answering
member was Lord Kingsland.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
678 c197-242 
Session
2005-06
Legislative stage
Third reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c197-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 2, line 43, leave out from ““offence”” to ““if”” in line 5 on page 3 and...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 678 c198-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, university librarians have written to me, and doubtless to other noble Lords, to say that ...
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Lord Goodhart | 678 c198 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to say that we are genuinely grateful to the Government for their decision, taken s...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c201-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall endeavour to ensure that my noble friend Lady Scotland receives the paeans of unad...
Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe | 678 c199 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I join noble Lords in thanking my noble friend the Minister for the characteristically ope...
Lord Eatwell | 678 c199-200 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare an interest as chairman of the British Library. I join in the general congratula...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 678 c200 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, thank those who have produced this comprehensive amendment. It is very pleasing th...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 678 c201 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, welcome the amendment and compliment those who drafted it. I do not want to be chu...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c212 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 6:"Page 5, line 36, leave out ““capable of being”” and insert ““likely to be””"
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Lord Goodhart | 678 c211-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 5:"Page 5, line 9, at end insert—"
““(3A) A notice under subsection (3) shal...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c212-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 9:"Page 5, line 43, at end insert—"
““( ) Nothing in this section shall ap...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c213-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment makes provision to ensure that service providers who fall within the defini...
Lord Boston of Faversham | 678 c212 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Contents have it.
On Question, amendment agreed to.
Lord Goodhart | 678 c212 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 7 to 8:"Page 5, line 40, leave out ““capable of being”” and insert ““likely to...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c214-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 11:"After Clause 4, insert the following new clause—"
““DEFENCES
(1) Subsect...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c214 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I said at the beginning, I do not wish to test the opinion of the House on this amendme...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c214 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 10:"Page 5, line 48, at end insert—"
““( ) In this section ““appropriate j...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c203-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 4, line 44, leave out ““, in the opinion of the constable giving it,””"
...
Lord Kingsland | 678 c205-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in view of the scope and incisiveness of the analysis given by the noble Lord, Lord Goodha...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 678 c206 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is not only a major issue, but it will become more and more important as the Internet...
Lord Hylton | 678 c206 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of amendments seems designed to protect not only freedom of expression but also...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, to use a word much favoured by the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, I shall be telegraphic in p...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the appropriate judge is not a High Court judge; it can be a circuit judge or a judge of t...
Viscount Bledisloe | 678 c207-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, could the noble Lord explain how he reconciles his two statements: the first being that th...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c208 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think that they are particularly difficult to reconcile. Clearly, when a notice i...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c208-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be very brief. I am very grateful to all those who have spoken in support of these...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c223 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it seems that the Government’s position combines the risk of serious damage to journalism ...
Lord Lyell | 678 c225 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment No. 13 stands in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford. I should a...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 678 c222-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt again, but unless there is a possibility of a defence for such a w...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c223 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness is clearly entitled to her view and interpretation of how the legislati...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c222 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I suspect that the noble Baroness’s understanding of what she described as informal camps ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c227-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in essence, I guess that the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, wants to know whether an...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 678 c227 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. In doing so, I mention the organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir. Hizb ut-T...
Lord Hylton | 678 c227 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Williams of Crosby, has mentioned Hamas in supporting the amendme...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 678 c225-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 13:"Page 18, line 33, at end insert—"
““(a) after ““terrorism”” in subsectio...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 678 c226-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on some occasions there is nothing so powerful as an example. This is a good occasion brie...
Lord Goldsmith | 678 c216-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise with a little trepidation as I have not taken part in this debate before. The House...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c217 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord for giving way. My understanding was that if t...
Lord Goldsmith | 678 c217-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot agree with that. On the example given, I am not sure that it would be necessary f...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c219 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord for his very full, clear and thorough explanat...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c221-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, clearly a practical view will be taken of the circumstances in which interviews are given....
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 678 c222 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister sits down, I took his slight barb that there had been no reception of ...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c219-20 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 12:"Page 9, line 28, at end insert—"
““( ) In proceedings against a person...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 678 c220-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment for all the reasons that have been outlined by the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c221 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall keep my comments brief, as we have rehearsed this territory on at least two occasi...
Lord Goodhart | 678 c221 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Is he really suggesting that it is perfect...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c242 (Link to this contribution)
: My Lords, it gives me great pleasure to move that this Bill do now pass.
Moved, That the Bill do ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 678 c240-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply, and to all those who have spoken in this...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c237-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, that although strictly speaking we were not w...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 678 c236 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, the amendment falls into two parts. One is—
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 678 c236 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the point of Section 44 is that you do not have to have an explanation. The difficulty, ab...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 678 c236 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I was not suggesting it should be.
Lord Kingsland | 678 c237 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness is correct about the state we have reached in the Bill. However, it was...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 678 c237 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I remind my noble friend that this is Third Reading. Important points of elucidation are a...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 678 c236-7 (Link to this contribution)
Then before she completely sits down, My Lords, the first three parts of the amendment are precisely...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 678 c236 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think I had finished.
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 678 c235 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. I want to elucidate some of the confusions existing around ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 678 c235 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, for having missed the first minute or two of w...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 678 c236 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, to respond to the points made by my noble friend, the example he gave of the person in the...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 678 c235-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand the point that my noble friend makes. There is a distinction between not havi...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 678 c229-32 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 14:"After Clause 29, insert the following new clause—"
““COUNTER-TERRORIST POW...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 678 c229 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for his response. I have not used the word ““intent”” i...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 678 c233-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the views that have been expressed about the abuse of the former sus laws and...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 678 c234 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have discussed this in some detail. If you go through London borough by London borough t...
Lord Hylton | 678 c234 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that the noble Lord has been a member, and perhaps still is a member, of police au...
Lord Boston of Faversham | 678 c212 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Question is that this amendment be agreed to. As may as are of that opinion will say, ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having looked at the amendment again, I accept that as a point of clarification and interp...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c203 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 2:"Page 3, line 30, at end insert—"
““(4A) In subsection (1) references to t...
Lord Thomas of Swynnerton | 678 c232-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak as the father of someone who was once stopped in such circumstances. He looks a re...
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