European Union (Accessions) Bill. Committee stage. Clauses 1-3 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment. Report stage (formal). Third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Passed.
European Union (Accessions) Bill
Debate on bills on Thursday, 24 November 2005,
in the House of Commons,
led by Douglas Alexander.
The answering
member was Lord Brady of Altrincham.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
439 c1681-720 
Session
2005-06
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
European Union (Accessions) Bill 2005-06. Explanatory notes Bill 51-EN also published.
Tuesday, 11 October 2005
Bills
House of Commons
Tuesday, 11 October 2005
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Andrew Turner | 439 c1681 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister speaks of laying the ghosts of the last century. Does he accept that 1.5 million of the...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1681-2 (Link to this contribution)
I did not expect that issue to be raised directly in relation to clause 1. The British Government’s ...
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Douglas Alexander | 439 c1681 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 1 enables us to implement the accession treaty in United Kingdom law, paving the way for Unit...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to answer the question directly and acknowledge that, in view of the burdens of our presi...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
As with the previous Bill on accession, the inclusion of this provision is therefore a precautionary...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1686 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman is kind enough to allow me to intervene on him, I am happy to confirm that the...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1685-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure whether the Minister is giving way or has finished. [Interruption.] Given that he has ...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way one final time, but then I want to make further progress.
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
I sense that, as far as my hon. Friend is concerned, that debate is not restricted to the Romanian o...
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend was talking a few moments ago about privatisation in Romania and Bulgaria. Is p...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1686 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. It is important that each country be judged on its own merits, not le...
Philip Hollobone | 439 c1686 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend share my and the Commission’s concern at the fact that not a single successful h...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1686 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The countries in question know that they are being monitored in ...
Anthony Steen | 439 c1687 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that one reason for delaying accession—I am wholly in favour of Romania an...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1687 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that there is consensus. Although we welcome the move toward the final objective of a...
William Cash | 439 c1687 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that my hon. Friend did speak a little too soon. Having listened to representatives from...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1687 (Link to this contribution)
I spoke too soon, Sir Michael.
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1686 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely, and I might go a little further by pointing to the welcome—if slightly unusual—developme...
Wayne David | 439 c1686 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is extremely positive that the political consensus in both Rom...
William Cash | 439 c1688 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend aware that on 18 November the German coalition Government—and I believe that Angel...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1688 (Link to this contribution)
I hesitate to stray too far from the subject of this debate, but my hon. Friend is right to say that...
Louise Ellman | 439 c1688-90 (Link to this contribution)
The matters being considered under clause 1 are extremely important. Accession to the EU is of great...
Louise Ellman | 439 c1690-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention and shall certainly take up his very kind ...
Anthony Steen | 439 c1690 (Link to this contribution)
It may help the hon. Lady to know that three members of the European Scrutiny Committee are in the C...
William Cash | 439 c1691 (Link to this contribution)
No, practical.
Nick Clegg | 439 c1691 (Link to this contribution)
As a newcomer to this Committee and a pro-European one at that, I can be lulled into a great sense o...
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1692-3 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend the Minister for Europe referred to privatisation and his opposite number on th...
Nick Clegg | 439 c1691-2 (Link to this contribution)
Practical concerns. Therein lies a great and, I fear, adjacent debate that will no doubt arise at an...
William Cash | 439 c1693 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman knows, I have attempted to put those arguments on a number of occasions. Does ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1693-4 (Link to this contribution)
We have lived in a market economy since the second world war, but the extent of the state’s role in ...
Nick Clegg | 439 c1694-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes an articulate case for his allegation that the terms of accession impose a ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1693 (Link to this contribution)
I have some sympathy with what the hon. Gentleman says. In Hungary, the economy is doing well in som...
Wayne David | 439 c1693 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that the idea of a market economy is fundamental to the whole concept of ...
William Cash | 439 c1696 (Link to this contribution)
I regard that as a pretty irrelevant comment. The nature and form of the EU will be affected by thes...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1696 (Link to this contribution)
I was just observing to my colleague the Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department, my hon. F...
William Cash | 439 c1695-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am very glad to follow the hon. Member for Luton, North (Kelvin Hopkins), partly because we have t...
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1695 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point. There is a serious debate both in the EU as a whole a...
Peter Bone | 439 c1696 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that the Prime Minister stated that enlargement could not take place without a European...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
It is not for me to prescribe either to the other 24 members of the EU or to candidate countries the...
Daniel Kawczynski | 439 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister speaks authoritatively about Romania. One of his predecessors, the hon. Member for Leic...
Louise Ellman | 439 c1682 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend referred to ““transformation”” in Romania and Bulgaria, but would he accept tha...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1682 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, is the answer to my hon. Friend’s question. It is, of course, a matter of profound concern to h...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 439 c1682 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister said that Bulgaria and Romania were undergoing a transition. Does he expect the transit...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1682 (Link to this contribution)
There are criteria that must be adhered to. We look forward with interest to the Commission’s next r...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1683-4 (Link to this contribution)
I have already been generous in giving way and I am keen to make a little further progress.
Members...
Peter Bone | 439 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. We have heard a statement about how keen these countri...
Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 439 c1682-3 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has, if I may say so, given a series of very elegant answers to penetrating questions, ...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1683 (Link to this contribution)
I yield to no one in my admiration of the elegance of the right hon. and learned Member for North-Ea...
Nick Clegg | 439 c1718 (Link to this contribution)
I should also like to join in this festival of cross-party consensus, which I trust will be a rare, ...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1712 (Link to this contribution)
It is my understanding that the existing worker registration scheme does not include the self-employ...
Douglas Alexander | 439 c1716 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.
We have had a good afternoon’s debate, wit...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1716-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to follow the Minister in what has been, as he said, a helpful and constructive series ...
Andy Burnham | 439 c1715 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly will. The hon. Gentleman will know that, since we set up the worker registration scheme,...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1716 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.
Andy Burnham | 439 c1714-5 (Link to this contribution)
All those working under the worker registration scheme have full employment protection and full acce...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1715 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is being very helpful and I am grateful. Can he be just a little more helpful by undert...
Andy Burnham | 439 c1712-4 (Link to this contribution)
There are such figures. I do not have them immediately to hand, but I can certainly make them availa...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1714 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister share the view expressed—I think—by the hon. Member for Llanelli (Nia Griffith) th...
William Cash | 439 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely, and I should not have to stand here making an obvious case. I would love the Minister to...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 439 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
Order. That would have to be done within the context of clause 1 stand part, which might be difficul...
William Cash | 439 c1698-9 (Link to this contribution)
I would go further—I cite the idea that such countries should be fined, although countries that are ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
Does not the hon. Gentleman make the case for each country to determine its own agricultural policy ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1698 (Link to this contribution)
I am interested in what the hon. Gentleman is saying. Does he agree that forcing countries with high...
William Cash | 439 c1697-8 (Link to this contribution)
They certainly do not vote Liberal Democrat.
The Prime Minister himself said in February 2000 that ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 439 c1697 (Link to this contribution)
Do they vote Liberal Democrat?
William Cash | 439 c1697 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely glad that that is taking place. It certainly was not when I met Mr. Delors in the 198...
Nick Clegg | 439 c1697 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that a man whom I doubt is close in his affections—Jacques Delors, the f...
Peter Bone | 439 c1702 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to hear what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but does he not agree that the EU and states...
Wayne David | 439 c1702-3 (Link to this contribution)
I said at the outset that this is an extremely broad debate, but extending it to north America takes...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 439 c1703 (Link to this contribution)
: I, too, intend to be brief. In general, I welcome the enlargement of the European Union, because i...
William Cash | 439 c1700-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that my hon. Friend has done that research. Again, that is the realistic position. The deb...
Wayne David | 439 c1702 (Link to this contribution)
It is important to acknowledge that reforms are under way in the EU. Reforms introduced by the Gover...
William Cash | 439 c1702 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right that there is move away from elitism, but does he not accept that the pr...
Peter Bone | 439 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend aware that in a survey commissioned by the delegation of the European Commission i...
William Cash | 439 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
I thought that might produce an enthusiastic response from Labour Members.
The reality is that the ...
Doug Henderson | 439 c1707-8 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. and learned Friend and I agree on many things, but not on that.
The ALMO cannot meet ...
Doug Henderson | 439 c1706-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Altrincham and Sale, West (Mr. Brady) has rightly described clause 2 as the prov...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 439 c1704 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am sorry, but we have to make a second correction at this point. When the House is in Commi...
Greg Hands | 439 c1704 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I shall be—
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 439 c1704 (Link to this contribution)
Order. May I say to the hon. Gentleman and any other hon. Members who are unsure that the best way o...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1705-6 (Link to this contribution)
As we come to consider the part of the Bill dealing with the free movement of workers, one of the un...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 439 c1705 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment No. 2, in page 2, line 18, leave...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1705 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 9, in page 1, line 16, at end insert—
Greg Hands | 439 c1704-5 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Sir Alan, for correcting me and helping me.
I shall be brief, as I spoke at some length ...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 439 c1712 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Under-Secretary help us about numbers? What is the estimated number of workers from Bulgari...
Andy Burnham | 439 c1712 (Link to this contribution)
That is precisely one of the factors that we would seek to ascertain in the run-up to accession, whi...
Doug Henderson | 439 c1708-9 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point. I would not deny that in the short term. However, there is ...
Peter Bone | 439 c1708 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman advances a good argument. Does he agree that some of the most skilled people who ...
Nia Griffith | 439 c1709 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill sets out the necessary legislation for the freedom of movement of workers from Romania and ...
Peter Bone | 439 c1709 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with much of what the hon. Gentleman said. I hope that all Members will be concerned about o...
Andy Burnham | 439 c1710-1 (Link to this contribution)
I thank colleagues from all parties who have made helpful and welcome comments about clause 2. It is...
Greg Hands | 439 c1709-10 (Link to this contribution)
I want to speak in favour of the amendment.
I am in favour of migration in general. My constituency...
Peter Bone | 439 c1711 (Link to this contribution)
Why do we have to wait to find out what our European Union partners do before we make our decision?
Peter Bone | 439 c1718-20 (Link to this contribution)
I was disappointed that the Bill was not amended in Committee, but I was grateful for the comments m...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 439 c1687-8 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point; the whole House will want that issue ...
William Cash | 439 c1696-7 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. The Prime Minister’s speech to the European Parliament and his and the Chancellor of the Exc...
Andy Burnham | 439 c1711-2 (Link to this contribution)
We do not. The decision is in our hands but it is sensible to ascertain what other countries are pla...
Wayne David | 439 c1701-2 (Link to this contribution)
: This has developed into an interesting and broad debate. I hope that the House will forgive me if ...
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