National Insurance Contributions Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion for proceedings in committee, report and third reading agreed to on question (formal).
National Insurance Contributions Bill
Debate on bills on Thursday, 27 October 2005,
in the House of Commons,
led by Baroness Primarolo.
The answering
member was Mark Field.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
438 c471-506 
Session
2005-06
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
National Insurance Contributions Bill 2005-06. Explanatory notes Bill 53-EN also published.
Tuesday, 11 October 2005
Bills
House of Commons
Tuesday, 11 October 2005
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Ivan Lewis | 438 c504-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman can always rely on me to be caring and sensitive, particularly when responding to...
Mark Field | 438 c505 (Link to this contribution)
The Prime Minister says all the right, warm words. Indeed, I very much agree with what he and the Ch...
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Philip Dunne | 438 c503 (Link to this contribution)
We have just heard for the second time from Ministers a list of the previous mischievous attempts to...
Ivan Lewis | 438 c503 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend the Paymaster General made a clear statement in December 2004. It seems to me t...
Lord Risby | 438 c503-4 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is slightly missing the point. Of course he can make his point in defence of the remark...
Rob Marris | 438 c500 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman referred to HMRC estimates that 21,000 small businesses and perhaps 90,000 self-e...
Lord Risby | 438 c500 (Link to this contribution)
I always love the hon. Gentleman’s interventions as he is defending and promoting the interests and ...
Ivan Lewis | 438 c500-1 (Link to this contribution)
This has undoubtedly been an interesting debate about an important Bill that is absolutely central t...
Mark Field | 438 c501-2 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the Economic Secretary will find that the record shows that I referred to bona fide rem...
Ivan Lewis | 438 c502 (Link to this contribution)
I agree entirely with the hon. Gentleman. I shall read out the recent result of a survey. It reads:"...
Mark Field | 438 c502 (Link to this contribution)
I will not take any personal credit for London’s great name in this regard. There is an important po...
Ivan Lewis | 438 c502-3 (Link to this contribution)
By any international comparison this country is doing well economically. Having said that, we have a...
Stephen Hammond | 438 c496 (Link to this contribution)
None the less, if discretionary powers are to be increased overall—[Interruption.] There is obviousl...
Lord Risby | 438 c497-500 (Link to this contribution)
Nobody could dispute the important principle that illegitimate tax avoidance must be dealt with, but...
Stephen Hammond | 438 c495-6 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to differ—it is the hon. Gentleman who has put the cart before the horse. There are more membe...
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c496 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman’s argument is based on a fundamental misunderstanding. The Bill does not give dis...
Andrew Pelling | 438 c490 (Link to this contribution)
I understand why the Paymaster General makes that point, but institutionalising retrospection and ra...
Philip Dunne | 438 c491-2 (Link to this contribution)
I share the concerns about the Bill expressed by my hon. Friends the Members for Croydon, Central (M...
Stephen Hammond | 438 c493-5 (Link to this contribution)
I have washed this morning, but not with platinum.
The Paymaster General left us in no doubt that t...
Rob Marris | 438 c495 (Link to this contribution)
: The hon. Gentleman has put the cart before the horse. We have complex tax legislation because ther...
Stephen Hammond | 438 c493 (Link to this contribution)
First, I declare an interest. I was one of the gentlemen who worked in the City, although I assure t...
Rob Marris | 438 c493 (Link to this contribution)
: What about a platinum sponge?
John Butterfill | 438 c480 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend also recognise that NICs are not paid by those who are over retirement age? His ...
Mark Field | 438 c480 (Link to this contribution)
It is a good attempt from Wolverhampton, but I was simply putting forward a broad idea that we need ...
John Butterfill | 438 c480 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend must also recognise that I represent a rather large number of pensioners in Bournemou...
Mark Field | 438 c480 (Link to this contribution)
If I am not incorrect, my hon. Friend is some 63 years old. I was his Whip at one time. I suspect th...
Ivan Lewis | 438 c480 (Link to this contribution)
To reinforce the point, the House might want to know that my grandmother lives in Bournemouth. I hav...
Mark Field | 438 c480 (Link to this contribution)
I have little doubt that my hon. Friend is younger than the average age of most of his constituents....
Robert Flello | 438 c481-2 (Link to this contribution)
We are debating what could be described as one side of the Treasury coin, the other side being the F...
Mark Field | 438 c481 (Link to this contribution)
The Economic Secretary knows that it is not a specific proposal. I was floating an idea, which is pa...
Robert Flello | 438 c482 (Link to this contribution)
That is a good point, but what we are talking about is legislation that some members of the wider ...
David Leslie Taylor | 438 c482 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that, while the Bill is commendable in seeking to reduce avoidance, it is ...
Lord Risby | 438 c482 (Link to this contribution)
In the last seven or eight years, there has been a huge increase in the number of people at the lowe...
Vincent Cable | 438 c483-6 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Member for Cities of London and Westminster (Mr. Field) acknowledged, we are dealing w...
Robert Flello | 438 c482-3 (Link to this contribution)
I shall stop smiling at that one now. There was a scheme involving fur coats, and another involving ...
Rob Marris | 438 c482 (Link to this contribution)
The aim of the Bill is to get rid of schemes involving gold bullion and so forth. Might not such sch...
Robert Flello | 438 c482 (Link to this contribution)
In the 1980s, a huge number of my constituents were no longer required to pay tax or national insura...
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c490 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c490 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman should also quote the Minister who responded to me at that time with an explanati...
Mark Field | 438 c471 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Paymaster General accept that one of the problems is the complication of the tax system sin...
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c472 (Link to this contribution)
My advice is that they are all contrived schemes of the same convoluted nature as their predecessors...
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c471 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
At the time of the pre-Budget report on 2 D...
Mark Field | 438 c475-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is self-evident that there are few subjects of debate more likely to empty the Chamber than natio...
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c472-5 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, it is not an insignificant amount of money and it should have been paid. The vast majority o...
Rob Marris | 438 c472 (Link to this contribution)
Am I right that we are not discussing peanuts? Without the Bill, the schemes would cost Her Majesty’...
Rob Marris | 438 c480 (Link to this contribution)
Again, I am following the hon. Gentleman’s comments closely. He was taking about the risk of stiflin...
Rob Marris | 438 c478 (Link to this contribution)
I am following the hon. Gentleman’s remarks closely. First, perhaps he can explain how the retrospec...
Mark Field | 438 c478 (Link to this contribution)
I am intrigued by the tense the Paymaster General uses. She refers to legislation that the House ““h...
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c477-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way again. To pick him up on maximising the tax paid,...
Mark Field | 438 c477 (Link to this contribution)
Let me answer the second point first, if I may. On the certainty issue, in any one year we do not ...
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c477 (Link to this contribution)
First, does the hon. Gentleman agree that if the legislation’s effect is to deter people from even b...
Baroness Primarolo | 438 c472 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman may know the answer from discussions during the proceedings on the Finance Act ...
Ivan Lewis | 438 c505-6 (Link to this contribution)
We politicians have just watched from a distance the political crisis in Germany, much of which is c...
Andrew Pelling | 438 c490 (Link to this contribution)
Certainly, if the Paymaster General wants to correct me.
Andrew Pelling | 438 c489-90 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Hartlepool (Mr. Wright) said that he did not begrudge the fantastic bonuses earn...
Iain Wright | 438 c487-9 (Link to this contribution)
I begin by declaring an interest: I am a chartered accountant and before my time in the House I was ...
Mark Field | 438 c472 (Link to this contribution)
The Paymaster General has made a good case for dealing with some contrived schemes that operated for...
Mark Field | 438 c478-80 (Link to this contribution)
Unfortunately, my constituency contains the City of London, where gold bullion, fine wine and all th...
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