Given the breadth of the Bill, I intend to focus on the work aspects.
The right hon. Member for Croydon North (Malcolm Wicks) is no longer in the Chamber, but I trust that he will not mind if I, too, quote Beveridge, who famously said:"““Want is one only of five giants on the road of reconstruction; the others are Disease, Ignorance, Squalor, and Idleness.””"
As we all know, those words were written at a time of real poverty for many people in the United Kingdom. How do they apply today, in the 21st century? Indeed, do they apply today? My supposition is that they do. Today, 10.4 million people of working age in the United Kingdom are not working, 5.9 million are claiming out-of-work benefits, and more than 2 million children live in households in which no one is working. It was the great Nye Bevan who said:"““There is no test for progress other than its impact on the individual.””"
Yet, today 3.9 million children still live below the poverty line. Some progress! Surely it is time to do something different.
I support the Bill's Second Reading because I believe that, in the main, it approaches this intransigent issue intelligently and constructively. The nation has got stuck, and it has got stuck because of the system. I do not think that anyone in the Government is particularly at fault, because the problem has built up over the past 40 years. A key part of breaking the system, which I believe the Bill is doing, is making work pay—a concept that the Secretary of State has championed for some time—and that means changing the tax and benefit system.
I will not go into all the details, because I am sure that everyone in the Chamber is well aware of them, but, as some Members have already pointed out, more often than not there is no point in people coming off benefit and going into work because they will be worse off as a result. A constituent of mine, a single mum with three kids who is on housing benefit and the rest, has not worked for 15 years. The rational option for her is to stay on benefit, and if I were her that is what I would do. It would be insane for her to come off benefit: she would probably lose out under the system that we have had for years, and what would happen if she lost her job in a few months' time? The system is insane, and the Bill attempts to transform it.
Welfare Reform Bill
Proceeding contribution from
Stephen Lloyd
(Liberal Democrat)
in the House of Commons on Wednesday, 9 March 2011.
It occurred during Debate on bills on Welfare Reform Bill.
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