Crime and Security Bill

My Lords, much as I would like to debate the aspects of wash-up, perhaps that is not for now: it is almost 8.50 pm and there is a lot more to get through today. I say to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, who said that his colleagues were not consulted, that neither were mine. I am glad that the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Jones, is concerned about the development of what she called hybrid provisions—the merging of civil and criminal law. They are an extremely serious development, which goes far beyond this issue. In view of the time, I will simply pick up on the words of the Minister when he talked about helping young people out of their lifestyle. It is the view of these Benches that criminalising children does not help them out of their lifestyle. The Standing Committee for Youth Justice, to which my noble friend referred, has no doubt told many of your Lordships about its concern that the Bill threatens children's safety, compromises their welfare and risks inappropriately criminalising them. The committee therefore opposes the Bill in so far as it affects children and young people in trouble with the law. We share that concern and oppose the clause standing part of the Bill. Division on Clause 34 Contents 160; Not-Contents 56. Clause 34 agreed. Clauses 35 to 44 agreed. Clause 45 : Offences relating to electronic communications devices in prison Clause 45 : Offences relating to electronic communications devices in prison Debate on whether Clause 45 should stand part of the Bill.