I thank the noble Baroness for that. I am somewhat reassured by what she said about training. It is terribly important, as she perhaps agrees.
On maintaining good order and discipline, I fail to see why it is not appropriate to use force to maintain good order and discipline in a secure training centre but it is in a school. The noble Baroness says that it is a completely different context and that the young person is more likely to be alone with a member of staff in a secure training centre. On the other hand, this situation is more likely to happen in a secure training centre because of the nature of the personnel involved. I warn the Government: I am absolutely sure that there will be a test case on this. It is inevitable.
On detention, I am distraught to hear that a teacher would have the right to use physical restraint to stop a child walking out of detention. If I had to use physical force to stop a child walking out of a room, I would regard myself as having failed completely in exerting my authority over that child; the last thing that I would do would be to demonstrate that through the use of force. What does one do? Wrestle them to the ground to stop them going out of the door? It is completely mad and self-defeating. However, with those comments, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 306 withdrawn.
Amendment 307 not moved.
Clause 239 : Recording and reporting the use of force in schools: England
Amendments 307ZA to 307C not moved.
Clause 239 agreed.
Clause 240 : Recording and reporting the use of force in FE colleges: England
Amendment 307D not moved.
Clause 240 agreed.
Amendment 308 not moved.
Clause 241 : Co-operation with a view to promoting good behaviour, etc.: England
Amendments 309 and 310 not moved.
Clause 241 agreed.
Clause 242 agreed.
Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill
Proceeding contribution from
Baroness Walmsley
(Liberal Democrat)
in the House of Lords on Monday, 19 October 2009.
It occurred during Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill.
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