Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords]

I have been listening carefully to the Minister's arguments. I also listened carefully to the arguments of the right hon. Member for Knowsley, North and Sefton, East (Mr. Howarth). The right hon. Gentleman said that one thing we are not discussing is the creation of designer children, but that is exactly what is being discussed. It would be useful if that could be accepted. We cannot really have a sensible debate without such acceptance, because it absolutely underpins the debate.