Health Bill

That really was the point that I was trying to make: that publicans already have onerous duties piled on them to keep an orderly house and to try to ensure that people do not get drunk or trade drugs. Unfortunately, they have great difficulty in doing so. We know that people do get drunk in pubs, irrespective of the duty of the publican to keep an orderly house. We know that all sorts of drugs are traded in public houses, even though publicans have the duty to see that they are not traded there. I feel so sorry for them. They have such onerous duties already and now we are going to pile another one on: to see to it that someone does not smoke in the pub. I have the utmost sympathy with publicans. I still think that the Minister should have a look at this. I return to a point already made in this Committee about enforcement. We were told then that we could discuss, when we came to this clause, how the enforcement authority will enforce the non-smoking rule on lorries and cars that are being used for business purposes and have one smoking passenger and another non-smoking passenger. I really do not see how this can happen. I simply do not understand how environmental health officers—or health inspectors, as we used to call them—of local authorities, if they are to be the enforcement authorities, will police the motorways and towns to see that lorry drivers are not having a cigarette. Whether or not they have anybody else in the cab, it will still be a working place. I have said this before but I am going to repeat it, because it is worth repeating: the police are completely unable to enforce the legislation on the use of mobile phones in moving vehicles. If they cannot do that, how on earth will the legislation now being passed to stop people having a cigarette in a cab or a car be enforced? It has to be explained how they will do it and, if they will be able to, how many of them there will be to police the millions of vehicles on the road at any particular time. My mind has boggled many times in this Committee and it will boggle again about the task that the enforcement officers will have in enforcing this ban on vehicles. How exactly will that be done and how many enforcement officers will be required to do it?