Terrorism (Northern Ireland) Bill

I agree with my hon. Friend the Member for Aylesbury (Mr. Lidington). We regret the necessity for the Bill, but given the continuing situation in Northern Ireland it is indeed necessary. That was acknowledged by all who spoke except the hon. Member for Foyle (Mark Durkan), who would have preferred the Government to be bolder in moving towards a more normal situation in Northern Ireland. The rest of the House realises that we are not yet in such a situation. I am sorry that we must support the Bill, but we must. The hon. Member for Glasgow, South (Mr. Harris) made a measured speech. I think he reflected the sentiments of the House in expressing the hope that this was the last occasion on which we would have to consider such legislation. He acknowledged, however, that the present circumstances could represent a false dawn, and regretted the fact that many debates of this kind took place against a continuing threat of violence. I hesitate to try to sum up a speech by the hon. Member for North Antrim (Rev. Ian Paisley)—soon to be the right hon. Member—in just a few words, but I shall do my best. The hon. Gentleman drew attention to an apparent contradiction in the Government’s position: although we are constantly told that things are much better in Northern Ireland—that the IRA has given up all its weapons, and is ceasing all its activities—we still need to introduce the Bill. Indeed, a number of Members drew attention to that apparent contradiction. No doubt the Minister will set our minds at rest when he explains the Government’s position. My hon. Friend the Member for South Staffordshire (Sir Patrick Cormack), who chairs the Select Committee, made—as usual—a telling and powerful speech. He called for Sinn Fein Members to take their seats, and, more important, for the Government to be seen to treat them in the same way as everyone else. That, I think, echoes the thoughts of many other Members. My hon. Friend the Member for South-West Norfolk (Mr. Fraser) stressed the need for patience, and condemned loyalist violence. The hon. Member for Belfast, North (Mr. Dodds)—who has apologised for not being able to stay for the winding-up speeches—urged caution, and emphasised the importance of not risking the welfare of people in Northern Ireland. The hon. Member for Leeds, North-West (Greg Mulholland) spoke of his first visit to Northern Ireland. He mentioned the many good things that he saw, but also his disappointment at some unfortunate aspects of the Province that still remain. The hon. Member for East Londonderry (Mr. Campbell) said, in a passionate speech, that it mattered what the IRA did, not just what it said. He also ridiculed—I think I am right to use that word—the action of members of Sinn Fein in claiming allowances for a job that they did not actually do. It surprises many people that they are able to do that. In another passionate speech, the hon. Member for South Antrim (Dr. McCrea) said that we should not thank the terrorists for ceasing to do things that they should never have been doing in the first place. He rightly said that there could be no justification for acts of terrorism on either side of the divide. In a wide-ranging speech, the hon. Member for Lagan Valley (Mr. Donaldson) said that members of all political parties who seek to take their seats in government should support the police. It is nonsensical to think that a constitutional party can exist without supporting the police, who are there to enforce the laws that that party will pass. As I have said, it is unfortunate that we need the Bill, but we do need it. People in Northern Ireland want many things, but most of them want to be treated normally. When I last visited Northern Ireland, only last week, I saw the need to go beyond having meetings with the police and political parties, important though that is. I took myself to a hospital, a school and one or two other places, and saw excellent work being carried out. The school system, which for some reason the Government seem intent on dismantling, is achieving very good results—the best in the United Kingdom, I believe—through grammar schools, and Northern Ireland education in general. Those facts are lost, however, when all we and the media talk about is security. It is important to look beyond that. That said, we must recognise that the security situation in Northern Ireland is still very difficult. According to recent reports, dissident republicans tried to attract disgruntled members of the Provisional IRA following the IRA statement. The Continuity IRA remains"““a dangerous organisation which planned to engage in terrorism and other crimes, possibly more than in the recent past.””" Then there is the feud between the Loyalist Volunteer Force and the Ulster Volunteer Force. Like my hon. Friend the Member for Aylesbury, I visited the police in Belfast recently. I watched videos showing people dressed in Orange Order sashes taking them off and throwing missiles at the police. That is unacceptable. We condemn that violence; indeed, we condemn violence on both sides of the divide. It cannot continue. While it does continue, however, we need the Bill. According to the recent Monitoring Commission report, during a period of six months recently there were 69 shootings, more or less evenly balanced between the two sides of the divide. There were 70 paramilitary assaults, and six murders. That too is unacceptable, at a time when there is supposed to be peace in Northern Ireland. We must recognise, however, that we have some way to go before we secure the peace that we all want. We do not just need statements from the IRA or, indeed, the LVF; we need action. More than anything else, we need a change in hearts and minds. We need people on both sides of the divide to be unwilling to engage in violence to further their political ends. We have needed that change in hearts and minds for a long time, but we will see it only when people in Northern Ireland feel that both sides are being treated fairly—when they perceive that constitutional politicians who seek to advance their arguments by peaceful means are rewarded, and that terrorists are not. We shall examine one or two aspects of the Bill in more detail in Committee, but for now I wish it well, although I very much regret the need for it.